Bring me my bow, of burning gold...

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Mon May 27, 2019 6:24 am

...Bring me my arrows of desire,
Bring me my spear; Oh clouds unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!

So, I'm interested in how the forum expects the Second Coming of the Lord (JC#2) to be manifested.

Will it be in glory untramelled, with no doubt as to His identity, or will He return 'like a thief in the night*', unexpected and unforecasted and relatively anonymous?

Perhaps unusually for me, I am undecided on this matter, and have no particular axe I want to grind.

Best wishes, 2RM

*1 Thessalonians 5:2

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:01 pm

[Replying to post 10 by 2ndRateMind]

Well let's see if Almighty God ending the entire world system, warring against Satan and the demons, killing off all the wicked and handing the world to his mighty spirit son to rule for 1000 years can be written off as "a rumour ". Ezekiel 38:23 (which I refered to in my earlier post) says " they will have to know that I am Jehovah" it doesn't add "...if they have access to the internet". It was neither a request nor an option, God will vindicate his name and he'll use his son to do it. It will be the greatest event in all human history.

Some might fear however that all that is just too big a job for YHWH (Jehovah) and Mark Zuckerberg will have to step in and ensure it really happens. Jehovah's Witnesses are not of that number!

DANIEL 4:35

To him the nations are far less than nothing; God controls the stars in the sky and everyone on this earth. When God does something, we cannot change it or even ask why." - Contemporary English Version.

ISAIAH 40:165-17

Look! The nations are like a drop from a bucket, And as the film of dust on the scales they are regarded. Look! He lifts up the islands like fine dust. ...All the nations are as something nonexistent in front of him; He regards them as nothing, as an unreality. - NWT

PSALMS 115:3

Our God is in heaven and does whatever he pleases. - Christian Standard Bible

PSALMS 2:2-5

The kings of the earth take their stand and high officials gather together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one....The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh; Jehovah will scoff at them. At that time he will speak to them in his anger and terrify them in his burning anger.

JW

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Post by **Tcg** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:22 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Well let's see if Almighty God ending the entire world system, warring against Satan and the demons, killing off all the wicked and handing the world to his mighty spirit son to rule for 1000 years can be written off as "a rumour ".

Of course it can't. A rumor is something that is reported, but has no clear authority to back up the claim.

What you have described is something that is perfectly unverifiable because it hasn't happened.

Two very different versions of an unverified claim.

Tcg

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Tue May 28, 2019 11:28 pm

2ndRateMind wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:
2ndRateMind wrote:
PinSeeker wrote: The only question for me, really, is how will the whole world witness it at once (Isaiah 40:5; Revelation 1:7)? We'll see, I guess...
I expect in these days of mass and social media, it would sort itself out.
... but of course the Almighty God creator of the universe will need to take out a page on Facebook to do it....

Too funny!

JW
I am glad you think so! But it was not meant entirely as a joke, and many truths are spoken in jest. I have found God's miracles, such as I have experienced, and there have been several, could always be written off as mere coincidence, and their circumstances generally more mundane than fiery chariots, speaking burning bushes, conveniently parted seas, or pillars of smoke and flame by day and night. Seems to me that it is not the impossibility of alternative explanations, but the faith of the pilgrim that makes a miracle out of a coincidence.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Just because you have not recieved a blessing without explanation , Its still a blessing. All blessing flows from God. The Adversary blesses not.

Like others, its clear to me Christ will come in his spirit form with the army of God and it will be a complete surprise. Even Jesus or the angels knew it , not.

God made this place. So it is definately not beyond Him to make the messiah visible to all the earth.

One day you may have an experience that's unexplainable or not. Have faith that it does happen. I have had a couple, years upon years apart. There was no denying the source.

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Wed May 29, 2019 3:50 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Well let's see if Almighty God ending the entire world system, warring against Satan and the demons, killing off all the wicked and handing the world to his mighty spirit son to rule for 1000 years can be written off...

So far as I can make out, in these post-modern days, God acts through us, not despite us. Even Jesus, were He to be confronted with it in His age, would, I think, have considered this interweb thingy to be a miracle. Familiarity, it is said, breeds contempt, and I think we should be wary of contempt.

Best wishes, 2RM.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Wed May 29, 2019 1:44 pm

2ndRateMind wrote:

So far as I can make out, in these post-modern days, God acts through us, not despite us.

I don't know your point of reference but mine is the bible. I do believe I have provided numerous scriptures to support my beliefs. If your God stands in awe of the internet and is waiting on humans to fulfill his purpose I wish you well with worshipping him (Micah 4:5).

My regards to Mr Zuckerberg & Co.

JW

Post by **Tcg** » Wed May 29, 2019 2:31 pm

JehovahsWitness wrote:
2ndRateMind wrote:

So far as I can make out, in these post-modern days, God acts through us, not despite us.
I don't know your point of reference but mine is the bible. I do believe I have provided numerous scriptures to support my beliefs. If your God stands in awe of the internet and is waiting on humans to fulfill his purpose I wish you well with worshipping him (Micah 4:5).

My regards to Mr Zuckerberg & Co.

JW

In the past, God had to wait for Mr. Gutenberg to fulfill His purpose. More recently, He was dependent on both of the Mr. Zondervans. Until God gets into the Mass media business himself, He will always be at the mercy of the humans who enable Him to "fulfill his purpose."

Tcg

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Thu May 30, 2019 1:45 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
2ndRateMind wrote:

So far as I can make out, in these post-modern days, God acts through us, not despite us.
I don't know your point of reference but mine is the bible....

And do you think God physically wrote and disseminated the Bible? My 'point of reference', since you ask, is the whole of God's creation, of which the Bible forms a part; a significant part, admittedly, but still only a part.

Best wishes, 2RM.

2ndRateMind · Post by **2ndRateMind** » Thu May 30, 2019 1:54 am

Tcg wrote: ...He will always be at the mercy of the humans who enable Him to "fulfill his purpose."

Exactly that.

Best wishes, 2RM.

marco · Post by **marco** » Fri May 31, 2019 5:17 am

brianbbs67 wrote:

One day you may have an experience that's unexplainable or not. Have faith that it does happen. I have had a couple, years upon years apart. There was no denying the source.

Life has its little question marks. When an eagle dropped a tortoise on the head of the Greek Tragedian, Aeschylus, killing him, one would be tempted to look for God's hand. The rare event must occur to somebody somewhere, and I suspect it always comes with a touch of divinity about it. The recipient is nourished by the belief that heaven cares, as was Paul.

Likewise Blake, in his flight of speculation about Christ's feet treading on England's green and pleasant pastures, may well have seen his verse as divinely inspired. Who knows?

marco · Post by **marco** » Fri May 31, 2019 5:29 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
As one of JWs I don't believe Jesus will return as a human being (Jesus can never reclaim his life as a human and there is absolutely no indication he will be reborn through childbirth) but as a mighty spirit creature with his angels to judge mankind. He will destroy the wicked, wipe out all human governments, and ensure that only the meek inherit the earth.

The picture reminds me of Pegasus. It is nice to see that some bit of Christianity borrows from Greek mythology. The Jesus referred to here seems to have adopted some of the bad ways of the Father to whom he offered a facelift. It is funny that he retains the old style of combat - on a horse - and he carries a sword, of course, since old imaginations could not visualise anything more sophisticated.

I suspect that by the time Jesus happens to sail through the clouds we will have developed an adequate armoury to shoot him down and let him suffer for mankind a second time, which, to quote Lady Bracknell, looks like carelessness.

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