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Anyway thats what she did , she was an anointer.marco wrote:To us in the 21st century it seems strange that this nonsense of anointing is associated with a demigod. One would have thought that divine wisdom might have indicated wiser use of resources, or perhaps pointed out some medicinal properties as yet unknown.dio9 wrote:
at Bethany she prophetically anointed Jesus for his interment. Lastly We know for sure Magdalene was on her way to anoint Jesus' crucified body Easter morning.The same woman did the anointings.
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Re: Magdalene
Post #12dio9 wrote: [Replying to JehovahsWitness]
sorry it was Luke 8 :2 ; "Luke 8:2 and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;
dio9 wrote: [Replying to post 3 by JehovahsWitness]
...Like Magdalene who Mark writes was a known sinner until she was exorcised of seven demons by Jesus.
I was particularly interested in a reference supporting Mary Magdelen as "a known sinner".
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Re: Once Upon a Time...: the 4 anointing stories
Post #13dio9 wrote:polonius wrote: Jesus evidently was anointed at least four times.
Once at the beginning of his career according to Luke, and three times at the end of his life.
He was anointed by "a sinful woman," "a woman, " and by Mary, the sister of Lazarus.
Three times his feet were anointed and once his head.
And all these stories are "God breathed."
Any chance three or all four stories are really fictional?
The sister of Lazarus didn't anoint him. she sat at his feet while taught while Martha was doing the kitchen work. That narrative is only in John's Gospel I believe.
Could you clarify with references how you calculate FOUR anointing because I am only familiar with two
1. Sinful woman of Galilee at Simon (the Pharisees house)
2. Bethany at Simon the LEPERS house.
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Re: Magdalene
Post #14dio9 wrote: [Replying to JehovahsWitness]
sorry it was Luke 8 :2 ; "Luke 8:2 and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out;
I suppose in earlier times Luke could say this without any trace of embarrassment. It is amusing that "SEVEN" demons came of the poor lady. Perhaps this is a clever reference to the seven deadly sins but doubtless some eminent theologian will find meaning in the number.
Re: Once Upon a Time...: the 4 anointing stories
Post #15dio9 wrote:polonius wrote: Jesus evidently was anointed at least four times.
Once at the beginning of his career according to Luke, and three times at the end of his life.
He was anointed by "a sinful woman," "a woman, " and by Mary, the sister of Lazarus.
Three times his feet were anointed and once his head.
And all these stories are "God breathed."
Any chance three or all four stories are really fictional?
The sister of Lazarus didn't anoint him. she sat at his feet while taught while Martha was doing the kitchen work. That narrative is only in John's Gospel I believe.
RESPONSE: Perhaps you should reread John 12:3
3 Mary took a pound of costly perfume made of pure nard, anointed Jesus’ feet, and wiped them[a] with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
Re: Once Upon a Time...: the 4 anointing stories
Post #17polonius wrote:dio9 wrote:polonius wrote: Jesus evidently was anointed at least four times.
Once at the beginning of his career according to Luke, and three times at the end of his life.
He was anointed by "a sinful woman," "a woman, " and by Mary, the sister of Lazarus.
Three times his feet were anointed and once his head.
And all these stories are "God breathed."
Any chance three or all four stories are really fictional?
The sister of Lazarus didn't anoint him. she sat at his feet while taught while Martha was doing the kitchen work. That narrative is only in John's Gospel I believe.
RESPONSE: Perhaps you should reread John 12:3
3 Mary took a pound of costly perfume made of pure nard, anointed Jesus’ feet, and wiped them[a] with her hair. The house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume.
Luke 7:36-40 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman
36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. 38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.
Not God breathed, rather it happened. Its the same story supposedly sourced by Magdalene. It was Magdalene who wiped his feet with her hair. John borrowed the story, 30 year after Luke's Gospel was written. Same event , different time and place. Martha's sister is not Magdalene.
The other anointing presumably by Magdalene was at Simon's house and its meaning is prophetic.
Jesus Anointed at Bethany
Mt. 26;6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.“.....
...12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.�
Magdalene is the source of both of these anointing narratives. She is not Martha's sister. The anointing at Bethany took place at Simon's house.
John combined the two narratives.
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Re: Magdalene
Post #18Could you outline the reasons why you make this assumption?dio9 wrote: [Replying to JehovahsWitness]
Luke doesn't name Mary but there is a high probability this was her.

Luke systematically names Mary Magdelene even when refering to her past it would be somewhat inconsistent of him to do so and then not name her in his narrative of the "sinful woman of Galilee". Further, the logistics of combing the two narratives is also problematic. Presumably a woman with seven demons would not be the first choice for a man seeking illicit sex. Jesus didn't usually charge victims of demonism with "sins" (since effectively they were under physical attack and guilty of nothing at all) yet he said to the "sinful woman" that her sins were forgiven, he never said this to victims of demonism.
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Re: Magdalene
Post #19[Replying to JehovahsWitness]
"13 Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.�
IT is odd that this woman is not named , given what Jesus said.
Some say Magdalene's place in Jesus' story was suppressed by the Gospel writers .Given how memorable Jesus said her anointing him was, Luke doesn't name her. bur she was possibly an exorcist , healer and visionary herself .
"13 Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.�
IT is odd that this woman is not named , given what Jesus said.
Some say Magdalene's place in Jesus' story was suppressed by the Gospel writers .Given how memorable Jesus said her anointing him was, Luke doesn't name her. bur she was possibly an exorcist , healer and visionary herself .