Paul Galatians chapter 1, 12 " I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Is any reader also having "revelations" like Paul did about 500 people seeing the risen Christ which even the Gospel writers don't report ( Paul didn't join the group until about three years later).
Was Paul delusional and hear voices?
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Re: Was Paul delusional and hear voices?
Post #31polonius wrote:
RESPONSE: Are you saying that there is more than one God then? Or that there are other eternally existing things?
What I said was this:
- "You've provided no reason to conclude that the eternally existing thing is the God of the Bible."
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Re: Was Paul delusional and hear voices?
Post #32RESPONSE: The answer is simple. God existed long before the "God of the Bible" was written for the Bible.Tcg wrote:polonius wrote:
RESPONSE: Are you saying that there is more than one God then? Or that there are other eternally existing things?
What I said was this:
Until you provide some reason to conclude that the eternally existing thing is the God of the Bible, it will remain true.
- "You've provided no reason to conclude that the eternally existing thing is the God of the Bible."
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St. Thomas sheds light with his proof of the Uncaused Cause:
1. There must be at least one uncaused cause
2. The Uncaused Cause cannot cause itself
It follows, therefore, that God existed before the Bible was i"inspired" and written. Many of the world religions who have never heard of the Christian bible believed in a supreme being long before the Bible was written.
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Re: Was Paul delusional and hear voices?
Post #33polonius wrote:RESPONSE: The answer is simple. God existed long before the "God of the Bible" was written for the Bible.Tcg wrote:polonius wrote:
RESPONSE: Are you saying that there is more than one God then? Or that there are other eternally existing things?
What I said was this:
Until you provide some reason to conclude that the eternally existing thing is the God of the Bible, it will remain true.
- "You've provided no reason to conclude that the eternally existing thing is the God of the Bible."
Tcg
St. Thomas sheds light with his proof of the Uncaused Cause:
1. There must be at least one uncaused cause
2. The Uncaused Cause cannot cause itself
It follows, therefore, that God existed before the Bible was i"inspired" and written. Many of the world religions who have never heard of the Christian bible believed in a supreme being long before the Bible was written.
All this provides is evidence of belief. This is not evidence that the God of the bible is the eternally existing thing.
Your quote from St. Thomas doesn't even attempt to provide evidence that the God of the Bible is the eternally existing thing. It is nothing more than two unsupported assertions strung together and neither of them refer to the God of the Bible.
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- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Post #34
Tcg posted:
RESPONSE: When did the "God of the Bible' come into existence? Answer: When the Bible was created? Question: When was he Bible created or first written?
St. Thomas based is work on Aristotle's writings. . None of Aristotle has an Biblical basis because it vastly predate the Bible.
The basis of the explanation is simple for most people to grasp. Unless God (the first cause) always existed, everything that exists came from nothing.
All this provides is evidence of belief. This is not evidence that the God of the bible is the eternally existing thing.
Your quote from St. Thomas doesn't even attempt to provide evidence that the God of the Bible is the eternally existing thing. It is nothing more than two unsupported assertions strung together and neither of them refer to the God of the Bible.
RESPONSE: When did the "God of the Bible' come into existence? Answer: When the Bible was created? Question: When was he Bible created or first written?
St. Thomas based is work on Aristotle's writings. . None of Aristotle has an Biblical basis because it vastly predate the Bible.
The basis of the explanation is simple for most people to grasp. Unless God (the first cause) always existed, everything that exists came from nothing.
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Post #35
Nope. There is no reason to conclude that anything came from nothing. So far, you've yet to provide any reason to conclude that everything came from the God of the Bible. In fact, it appears that you have ceased to even attempt to support that claim.polonius wrote:
Unless God (the first cause) always existed, everything that exists came from nothing.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Post #36
Tcg posted:
RESPONSE: No. Some people reject logic in their need to "believe" anything.
Like attempting to claim that the Bible predated the creation of the universe.
And I don't really have to prove the obvious to support fundamentalism.
Two basic questions:
When did the Bible come into existence?
When did the universe come into existence?
See the contradiction?
Nope. There is no reason to conclude that anything came from nothing. So far, you've yet to provide any reason to conclude that everything came from the God of the Bible. In fact, it appears that you have ceased to even attempt to support that claim.
RESPONSE: No. Some people reject logic in their need to "believe" anything.
Like attempting to claim that the Bible predated the creation of the universe.
And I don't really have to prove the obvious to support fundamentalism.
Two basic questions:
When did the Bible come into existence?
When did the universe come into existence?
See the contradiction?
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Post #37
polonius wrote: Tcg posted:
Nope. There is no reason to conclude that anything came from nothing. So far, you've yet to provide any reason to conclude that everything came from the God of the Bible. In fact, it appears that you have ceased to even attempt to support that claim.
RESPONSE: No. Some people reject logic in their need to "believe" anything.
Like attempting to claim that the Bible predated the creation of the universe.
And I don't really have to prove the obvious to support fundamentalism.
Two basic questions:
When did the Bible come into existence?
When did the universe come into existence?
See the contradiction?
That is three questions. Ignoring this basic math error, none of them address your claim.
Tcg
To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Rejecting common sense.
Post #38Some people reject logic in their need to "believe" anything.
Like attempting to claim that the Bible predated the creation of the universe.
And I don't really have to prove the obvious to support fundamentalism.
Two basic questions:
When did the Bible come into existence?
When did the universe come into existence?
See the contradiction?
Like attempting to claim that the Bible predated the creation of the universe.
And I don't really have to prove the obvious to support fundamentalism.
Two basic questions:
When did the Bible come into existence?
When did the universe come into existence?
See the contradiction?
RESPONSE: Actually I think most readers realize your argument has been defeated.That is three questions. Ignoring this basic math error, none of them address your claim.
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Re: Rejecting common sense.
Post #39You are the one who has presented an argument. It is one that you have failed to support. The opinion of the readers, whatever that may be, doesn't change the fact that you have made a claim you have failed to support.
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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
- American Atheists
Not believing isn't the same as believing not.
- wiploc
I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.
- Irvin D. Yalom
Post #40
Tcg of New Jersey posted:
Polonius from New Jersey also.
RESPONSE: I have clearly proven my point (unless one is a fundamentalist who just has to believe otherwise). The existence of God was proven many many years before the Bible was written. But there are those who's belief system will not permit them to accept the obvious.You are the one who has presented an argument. It is one that you have failed to support. The opinion of the readers, whatever that may be, doesn't change the fact that you have made a claim you have failed to support.
Polonius from New Jersey also.
