Israel's misery

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Micah 7 New International Version (NIV)

Israel’s Misery
7 What misery is mine!
I am like one who gathers summer fruit
at the gleaning of the vineyard;
there is no cluster of grapes to eat,
none of the early figs that I crave.
2 The faithful have been swept from the land;
not one upright person remains.
Everyone lies in wait to shed blood;
they hunt each other with nets.
3 Both hands are skilled in doing evil;
the ruler demands gifts,
the judge accepts bribes,
the powerful dictate what they desire—
they all conspire together.
4 The best of them is like a brier,
the most upright worse than a thorn hedge.
The day God visits you has come,
the day your watchmen sound the alarm.
Now is the time of your confusion.
5 Do not trust a neighbor;
put no confidence in a friend.
Even with the woman who lies in your embrace
guard the words of your lips.
6 For a son dishonors his father,
a daughter rises up against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
a man’s enemies are the members of his own household.
7 But as for me, I watch in hope for the Lord,
I wait for God my Savior;
my God will hear me.



Luke 12:49-53 New International Version (NIV)

Not Peace but Division
49 “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.�

Matthew 10:34-36 New International Version (NIV)

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a]



Yet Christianity claims to be the new covenant.

That doesn't compute. God promised to give unity and peace after the punishment.

Why would any textualy literate Jew have accepted the curse as the promised salvation?

Why would he have accepted any individual respresenting the spirit of strife and disunity as the Messiah?

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[Replying to post 10 by showme]

Perhaps Jesus's claims of ushering in the new covenant were premature?

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[Replying to post 10 by showme]

Perhaps Jesus's claims of ushering in the new covenant were premature?

Where did Iesus claim to bring a new covenant?

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[Replying to post 12 by brianbbs67]

Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.�

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Elijah never came and God himself brought about any defects in action in accordance to his will.

Jesus claimed John had come in the spirit of Elijah and according to Paul Jesus came in order to bring about an end to the Law.

Well as Paul was a "false prophet" (Matthew 7:15), I wouldn't put too much faith behind his babel. As for "God's will", Yeshua taught that one must pray for that.

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[Replying to post 14 by showme]

But even his own prayer was ineffective. The following is after all nothing more than the promised sanctification leading to continues blessings

Seems improbable to have it both ways.

New International Version (NIV)

Jesus Prays for All Believers
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

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[Replying to post 12 by brianbbs67]

Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.�

Yes and that's as far as it went. He wanted them to remember him and his sacrifice when they gathered and ate and drank. This did not erase the rest of his commands on how they were to live.

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[Replying to post 16 by brianbbs67]

What then of Paul's new commandment?

1 Corinthians 7:17-19 New International Version (NIV)

Concerning Change of Status
17 Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them. This is the rule I lay down in all the churches. 18 Was a man already circumcised when he was called? He should not become uncircumcised. Was a man uncircumcised when he was called? He should not be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.