"a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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"a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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TBN preacher this morning said the reason the Law was given was to give us a "standard of perfection that we cannot keep" and to show us our need for a savior.

His statement is in accord with Pauline, NT theology. But is this really the purpose of the Law? The "original intent" of Moses, the lawgiver? (or God through Moses).

If so, where is the "Old" Testament evidence that the law was given not to be obeyed, but to demonstrate our need for a savior?

Is Paul's theology on this matter a bit of revisionism?
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-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Re: "a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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marco wrote:
showme wrote:

Malachi 4:1“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,� says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.� 2“But for you who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings; and you will go forth and skip about like calves from the stall. 3“You will tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day which I am preparing,� says the LORD of hosts.

The day itself isn't burning like a furnace. Arrogant people don't have roots and branches; trees do. Silly metaphor. The sun may metaphorically rise but to add healing is to mix metaphors. Silly comparison. The concept of people turning into animals is the Transmigration of Souls which has little to do with Jesus, unless it's believed he changed into a sheep or a bull. Poor old Malachi must have had too much to drink when he produced the above mixed-up rubbish. It discredits the Bible.
For the "arrogant", who rail against a God they can neither see, nor hear (Isaiah 6:9-10), their god is the god that reigns over their own minds and hearts. Personally, I love to see calves romp when released from a stall, or even cattle.https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vi ... &FORM=VIRE

Malachi 3:15‘So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.’�

Proverbs 6:12-15 12A troublemaker and a villain, who goes about with a corrupt mouth, 13who winks maliciously with his eye, signals with his feet and motions with his fingers, 14who plots evil with deceit in his heart- he always stirs up conflict. 15Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he will suddenly be destroyed-without remedy.

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Re: "a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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marco wrote:The day itself isn't burning like a furnace. Arrogant people don't have roots and branches; trees do. Silly metaphor.
The metaphor is about ancestry and progeny...
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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Re: "a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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ttruscott wrote:
marco wrote:The day itself isn't burning like a furnace. Arrogant people don't have roots and branches; trees do. Silly metaphor.
The metaphor is about ancestry and progeny...
Those without eyes to see and ears to hear, certainly are not expected to understand parables. (Isaiah 6:9-10), although in this case, someone is playing their part. It is not that he doesn't understand that branches are progeny, but apparently, the whole concept of justice and righteousness. As with the "many" Progressives, some people consider themselves more righteous, or more linguistic, than the God they deny, or make up. Psalms 37:13 Not a wise move, being that "Jerusalem" has been "restored", and the hammer is about to come down. Joel 3:1-2 & 12

Psalms…12The wicked scheme against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them, 13but the Lord laughs, seeing that their day is coming.

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Re: "a standard of perfection that we cannot keep"

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[Replying to post 22 by marco]

Sure 1+1=2. Now I'm perfect. How about a deeper view? Most people that attempt to master a field understand how not perfect they are.

If you don't think Jesus was perfect then I imagine you dont believe he was God.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Wootah wrote: If you don't think Jesus was perfect then I imagine you dont believe he was God.
Or if Jesus can be shown to be IMperfect, than that would demonstrate that Jesus is not God.
My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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