Recreating the uncreated

[postroad]

If God is Spirit how is it that a spiritual realm containing myriad spiritual beings exists?

Believers insist they to will become Spiritually born of God.

I'm sensing some theological difficulties with a uncreated God creating beings that are like him in substance.

Also if his substance can be created it would certainly confirm that it to can have a beginning. And if it can have a beginning it must have had a beginning.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by postroad]

My understanding is he created angels/spirits ( ie intelligent non physical beings ) "like" himself but not that he created another identical "first cause", infinite Almighty spirit, which is what I believe YHWH to be.


We don't know what created spirit bodies are "made of" (above and beyond "not flesh and blood") much less what the "substance" (although I don't know if that would be the right word for an uncreated being) of The Maker is. The best we have biblically is Paul catorgorizing all bodies as being physical or spiritual. With "spiritual" being as that which is not physical. Whether the spiritual bodies sub-divide into other types under the umbrella of spiritual we dont know ( Although if the spiritual realm is comparable to the physical, as Paul pointed out there are all manner of different "types" of physical bodies, usually two sexes, for example and if we take in lower life forms, countless different species...).

If the spirit realm is like this* then then logically an infinite God would be unique but he could have made other beings like but not identical to Himself .



* The bible does indicate rank and position in the spirit realm.




JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]


As created realities I'm seeing no reason that God could destroy one and not the other.

Simple logic dictates that if it has a beginning it can have an end.

Spiritual and physical realities are simply created states which seem to be interchangeable.

When people read heavens they assume that it simply means the universe. In fact it was understood to be a hierarchy of alternative realities.

2 Corinthians 12:1-3 New International Version (NIV)

Paul’s Vision and His Thorn
12 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3 And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by postroad]

I have to admit I'm not sure I understand your point, if its that God can destroy his created beings, whether they be physical or spiritual then I would agree. Logically a loving Creator wouldn't destroy his intelligent creation indiscriminately.



JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 3 by postroad]

I have to admit I'm not sure I understand your point, if its that God can destroy his created beings, whether they be physical or spiritual then I would agree. Logically a loving Creator wouldn't destroy his intelligent creation indiscriminately.



JW

God must not be a loving creator. He destined sentient beings for eternal torment.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 5 by postroad]

Well I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I think most people know we don't believe in eternal torture in hellfire. But, yes it is a valid question to address those that do,

JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 6 by JehovahsWitness]

Jesus confirmed that his kingdom was not of this world. He also added belief in him (whatever that is) as a requirement in addition to the Law. This is presented as a mystery revealed only to the elect which did not include national Israel.

This doesn't match up with prophecy. If true it makes God a liar.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 7 by postroad]


What has that got to do with the OP? From what I can see the topic is: "Is it possible for an uncreated spiritual being to create spiritual beings?" What bearing does God's personality have on the OP?



JW

[postroad]

[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]

Simply that God could not create spiritual beings of the same substance as himself without causing suspicion that he himself could have been created.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 8 by JehovahsWitness]

Simply that God could not create spiritual beings of the same substance as himself without causing suspicion that he himself could have been created.

Then as I said, probably he didn't. The bible only calls these created beings "spirits" it makes no mention of their "substance".



JW