Is Trinitarianism compatible with Judaism?

[Elijah John]

Is Trintiarianism and Jesus-worship compatible with Judaism? The religion of Jesus?

Where are the roots of Trinitarianism and Messiah-worship in the Hebrew Bible "Old" Testament?

[Divine Insight]

Is Trintiarianism and Jesus-worship compatible with Judaism? The religion of Jesus?

Where are the roots of Trinitarianism and Messiah-worship in the Hebrew Bible "Old" Testament?

In Christian theology to say that Judaism is the religion of Jesus is ridiculous.

In Christianity Jesus wasn't a mortal Jew. Jesus was the Son of God born among the Jews. So to say that Judaism was the religion of Jesus is to basically deny Christian theology entirely.

Jesus wasn't a Jew. Jesus was the Son of God born among the Jews.

That's the claim behind Christian theology.

[wiploc]

Is Trinitarianism compatible with Judaism?

No, Judaism is monotheistic.

[Divine Insight]

Is Trinitarianism compatible with Judaism?

No, Judaism is monotheistic.

Trinitarianism is monotheistic too. It was invented precisely to avoid polytheism.

Trinitarianism simply claims that Jesus was talking to himself, and praying to himself, and eventually sat at the right-hand of himself when he returned to heaven.

Jesus is just one facet of a multi-personality God. That's the idea behind Trinitarianism.

Trinitarianism was invented precisely to keep Christianity monotheistic.

Is it a logically consistent theology? No. But that's a whole other story.

Remember than in Christianity "With God all things are possible". So if God wants to have a multiple-personality disorder and pray to himself he can do it. God also don't need to behave logically. God invented logic. If God wants to be illogical he can do it. God can do anything he wants. This is what allows apologists to keep making up ridiculous illogical apologies for this religion ad infinitum.

[brianbbs67]

Is Trintiarianism and Jesus-worship compatible with Judaism? The religion of Jesus?

Where are the roots of Trinitarianism and Messiah-worship in the Hebrew Bible "Old" Testament?

1. I say no. "Here o Isreal the lord is God". Jesus/Yeshua was a law following Hebrew of Judea. His followers were Jews, he is a jew. He taught repentance and forgiveness and most often of all a return to following the law not traditions of men. So, if we, as christians accept being grafted into Isreal, we are becoming Hebrew. Are we grafted to Zues? Appolo? No, to Isreal, through christ.

2. The trinity is a man made device. There is God, the holy Spirit. (read the whole bible, God is spirit) and the son of man. Early followers of the way, were keeping the 7 feasts and the sabbath.(in the synagogue, btw) Consult again the NT here. When Jerusalem fell and Rome scattered and took over, by 85 ad(temple in 70), the original "church" mostly disappeared in fear or death. And swish, bang, boom, the RCC was the authority and still guides even Protestant doctrine, whether they like it or not.

[polonius]

Following Jesus' death, his followers remained observant Jews in a sect called "The Way" or the "Nazarenes" within conventional Judaism (See Acts of the Apostles written in the 80's).

In the mid 80's, some of Jesus' followers began to argue that Jesus was divine himself, a serious sin against the most basic of Jewish teaching "Hear O Israel, the Lord is One"

As a result the Christians were expelled as heretics from the Jewish synagogues.
This can be found in John's gospel. See also "The 12th Benediction.

By the 4th century, the Holy Ghost had been added as a third person of God.

Judaism itself continued as a monotheistic religion until this day.

[Elijah John]

What do you all make of the attempts to harmonize Trinitarian Christianity with Judaism, in such movements as "Jews for Jesus" and with so called "Messianic Jews".

It's one thing to see Jesus as the Messiah, isn't it quite another and arguably incompatible thing to see him as YHVH Incarnate?

Was such a belief ever part of Jewish Messianic expectation?

[brianbbs67]

What do you all make of the attempts to harmonize Trinitarian Christianity with Judaism, in such movements as "Jews for Jesus" and with so called "Messianic Jews".

It's one thing to see Jesus as the Messiah, isn't it quite another and arguably incompatible thing to see him as YHVH Incarnate?

Was such a belief ever part of Jewish Messianic expectation?

What I see is no evidence of a trinity except in man's mind. The Messiah, Ha Mesiach, was to be a human as Christ claimed he was. Could other things be at play? Sure. But judging by the writings we have today, there is little evidence. With only the info at hand, the trinity fails. It is a tradition of men. Something Christ railed against, often.

[ttruscott]

GOD is responsible for the writing: Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God the LORD is ONE! HE is also responsible for the sentence: Gen 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and be united to his wife, and they will become ONE flesh.

The Hebrew for ONE is the same word in both. Since the obvious meaning of Gen 2:24 speaks of a UNITY, we are assured that there may be a direct parallel with the word ONE in Deut 6:4 as also referring to a UNITY.

But alas it is the tradition of the rabbis that it refers to the numeral 1, as it may, rather than to a UNITY creating a single-ness as in Gen 2:24, and it has only been by the further revelation of our LORD to us that we have come to understand that the traditions of the rabbis were wrong about both the UNITY of GOD and about the Messiah whom they rejected.

[polonius]

Ttruscott posted:

GOD is responsible for the writing: Deut 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God the LORD is ONE! HE is also responsible for the sentence: Gen 2:24 For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and be united to his wife, and they will become ONE flesh.

The Hebrew for ONE is the same word in both. Since the obvious meaning of Gen 2:24 speaks of a UNITY, we are assured that there may be a direct parallel with the word ONE in Deut 6:4 as also referring to a UNITY.

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God is responsible for the writing???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

According to the Midrash, the Torah was created prior to the creation of the world, and was used as the blueprint for Creation.[3] The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 600 BCE), based on earlier written and oral traditions, which could only have arisen from separate communities within ancient Israel,[citation needed] and that it was completed by the period of Achaemenid rule (c. 400 BCE).

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The majority of Biblical scholars believe that the written books were a product of the Babylonian captivity (c. 600 BCE), based on earlier written and oral traditions, which could only have arisen from separate communities within ancient Israel,[citation needed] and that it was completed by the period of Achaemenid rule (c. 400 BCE).[4][5]

Did I ever tell you about my friend named Ralph who is convinced that he is the Second Coming? He’s written a scripture which he claims is all “God breathed." too.

Do you believe him? Why not?