Is your sin Original?

[polonius]

The description of “original shin “ isn’t found in the Bible but it’s linked to the story about the Genesis serpent that convinced Eve and later Adam to eat the “forbidden fruit.�

Actually, the story was developed by St. Augustine in the 4th century working from a mistranslated Latin bible which had added the phrase “In quo� (in whom) in chapter 5� of St. Paul’s Letter to the Romans.

So in some mysterious way all people born were guilty with “the stain" of Adam’s and Eve’s sin. In the seventh century this led to the formulation of the Immaculate Concept doctrine which the Catholic church still considers infallible to this day. It might be noted that the Eastern Catholic Church recognizing Augustine’s writings error has never recognized Original Sin or the Immaculate Conception.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 119 by polonius]

I have long ago put away the things of a child, so too with confused concepts like those you attribute to PCE.

The Bible contains enough explicit fiction without having to use it to create more.

Is PCE Theology different in any way from Mormonism as invented by Joseph Smith?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 119 by polonius]

I have long ago put away the things of a child, so too with confused concepts like those you attribute to PCE.

The Bible contains enough explicit fiction without having to use it to create more.

Is PCE Theology different in any way from Mormonism as invented by Joseph Smith?

I don't know much about either.

My guess is that Joseph Smith could explain Mormonism.

I think he wrote a book about it that eventually reached Broadway.

[ttruscott]

RESPONSE: I think adults decide whether to have children or not. That
would be the production of somebody.

Your secular response was...expected. I am getting used to being asked questions to give someone a platform to shoot me down with a preconceived pov.

Just out of curiosity, does PCE have a leader or clergy?

Pre-Conception Existence is a theology, a rational and Christian understanding of the reality we live in and how it correlates to the Bible...it is not a Church or a religion, at least not that I know of.

[ttruscott]

Is PCE Theology different in any way from Mormonism as invented by Joseph Smith?

Pce is one concept that in some little ways is similar. I reject the majority of their core beliefs. The fact that I believe in the Trinity in no way makes me a Catholic! The fact that I believe in predestination does not make me a Calvinist. The fact that I believe in salvation by grace does not make me an Arminian...and I contend that the Mormon, Catholic, Calvinist and Arminian theologies are all based upon a foundation of blasphemy.

[polonius]

Can you present any evidence for Precreation existence, or is just your theory?

[ttruscott]

Can you present any evidence for Precreation existence, or is just your theory?

I can provide Biblical references (which fits "any evidence"), some of which I know you've already seen and passed over as unimportant, but I cannot make you do the work to understand their significance.

Check Members Notes: viewtopic.php?t=30413 and if you have any questions, I maybe able to help.

[polonius]

Lets take a look at PCE Theology as you explained it. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Rational souls preexisted the creation of the Universe existing in shoal.

Either they were eternally existed like God, or God created them in time, or they sprang into existence by themselves.

They got to decide if they were going to be faithful to God and hence experience the joys of heaven for all eternity

or they could chose to disobey God and spend eternity burning in hell.

Are theses the views you are advocating?

Do you believe that this is a true statement?

"HE (God) created us to enter into a metaphorical marriage state with HIM, a state of perfect telepathic communication and communion, ie, both emotional and intellectual communication, with every person in that communion at all times.

[ttruscott]

Lets take a look at PCE Theology as you explained it. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

Rational souls preexisted the creation of the Universe existing in shoal.

Almost.
We were rational spirits and spirits are not called souls until they enter a body.

Either they were eternally existed like God, or God created them in time, or they sprang into existence by themselves.

One of these, yes... a course in how to read for comprehension might be necessary.

They got to decide if they were going to be faithful to God and hence experience the joys of heaven for all eternityor they could chose to disobey God and spend eternity burning in hell. Are theses the views you are advocating?

Somewhat, not enough for the tokens I reward to atheists who do understand and restate PCE clearly. The people who choose to be eternally evil do not just disobey GOD (which might imply they accepted HIS divinity), but they totally repudiated HIS every claim to divine status and glory and attributed HS claims to being the most evil manipulator and liar in all creation. No one chose hell but we choose to accept YHWH as GOD on the promise of heaven or to reject HIS claims deciding he was a false god with no power over heaven or a non-existent hell.

But yes, they got to decide for themselves which version of reality they thought was true. Our earthly experiences with such thoughts and ideas mimic the process of separation in Sheol pre-earth.

Do you believe that this is a true statement?
"HE (God) created us to enter into a metaphorical marriage state with HIM, a state of perfect telepathic communication and communion, ie, both emotional and intellectual communication, with every person in that communion at all times.

This is not a quote from me as the quotation mark before HE would seem to perhaps indicate.

Marriage on earth is the metaphor called a type in which earthly things point to heavenly reality, the anti-type or fulfillment, in this case the heavenly state of marriage.

HE (God) created us to enter into a perfect marriage with HIM, a true or full marriage that is the absolute standard of the meaning of a loving marriage, a state of perfect telepathic communication and communion, ie, both emotional and intellectual communication, with every person in that communion at all times.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 127 by ttruscott]

The people who choose to be eternally evil do not just disobey GOD (which might imply they accepted HIS divinity), but they totally repudiated HIS every claim to divine status and glory and attributed HS claims to being the most evil manipulator and liar in all creation. No one chose hell but we choose to accept YHWH as GOD on the promise of heaven or to reject HIS claims deciding he was a false god with no power over heaven or a non-existent hell.

Was that an informed decision? What evidence and what basis did they have to decide not to accept YHWH as God?

[polonius]

Ttruscott posted

Do you believe that this is a true statement?

"HE (God) created us to enter into a metaphorical marriage state with HIM, a state of perfect telepathic communication and communion, ie, both emotional and intellectual communication, with every person in that communion at all times.

This is not a quote from me as the quotation mark before HE would seem to perhaps indicate.

RESPONSE: Isn’t this your claim? CARM: Christian Apologetics Research Ministry. Carm.org

ttruscott
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08-08-18, 02:03 PM
A sub-set of corollaries to GOD is good and hates all evil is that
- HE created us to enter into a metaphorical marriage state with HIM, a state of perfect telepathic communication and communion, ie, both emotional and intellectual communication, with every person in that communion at all times.

- To allow us to enter this state so that it was a real expression of HIS desire for us, HE had to give us a free will with the ability to reject joining into the heavenly state because HE only wanted to marry those who wanted to marry HIM without being forced in any way.

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