Contemporary Christian Music

diggnate · Post by **diggnate** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:49 pm

I'm currently in the middle of writing a series of posts on my blog about music, and CCM in particular. I was wondering what the Christians on this board think about it, and if you don't see anything wrong with it, what are your thoughts on the 20 common arguments against it I put on this post:

The whole series can be seen here:
http://www.nathanrice.org/?tag=musicseries

Thoughts?

Katsuro · Post by **Katsuro** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:18 pm

No offence to anyone but it sounds like another case of Christian killjoys. I'm not aware of any bible passages that specify what sort of music is acceptable. The arguments about music seem to be based on nothing. If there is a God and you have to answer to him on judgment day, do you really think music is going to be an important factor on where to send you. "Hey God, I killed a bunch of people once, but I played the right music!"

Biker · Post by **Biker** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:28 pm

diggnate wrote:I'm currently in the middle of writing a series of posts on my blog about music, and CCM in particular. I was wondering what the Christians on this board think about it, and if you don't see anything wrong with it, what are your thoughts on the 20 common arguments against it I put on this post:

The whole series can be seen here:
http://www.nathanrice.org/?tag=musicseries

Thoughts?

diggnate,
No CCM is not a sin. I am not aware of any sinful vocal or instrumental sounds or tones in varying melody, harmony, rhythm,or timbre combined into compositions that would be sinful for a Christian so long as not violating Scripture or ones conscience. But to say the above would be sinful for some reason is religious ignorance. Sounds like religious people are out heretic hunting again.So rock or jazz or whatever to your hearts content to Jesus. You got my vote. You may be interested in a subversive group of Christian artists on this site: www.brewingculture.org We need more Christians influencing culture with Jesus, and we aren't going to do it with some tired old religious junk.

Biker
Check em out.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:39 pm

There are Christians who assert strongly that no musical instruments should be used in the worship of God by the followers of Jesus.

aymon de tigliettem lists many who allegedly support this idea:

Thomas Aquinas, Bingham's Antiquities, Vol. 3, page 137)
Augustine 354 A.D., describing the singing at Alexandria under Athanasius)
Chrysostom, 347-407, Exposition of Psalms 41, (381-398 A.D.) Source Readings in Music History, ed. O. Strunk, W. W. Norton and Co.: New York, 1950, pg. 70.)
Clement of Alexandria, 190AD The instructor, Fathers of the church, p. 130) (Clement of Alexandria, 185AD, Readings p. 62)
(Erasmus, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 14:19)
EUSEBIUS(commentary on Psalms 91:2-3)
(Alzog, Catholic Scholar, Church Historian of the University of Freiburg and champion of instrumental music in worship, was faithful to his scholarship when he wrote, Universal Church History, Vol. 1, pp. 696, 697).
(Albert Barnes, a Presbyterian, Notes on The Testament, comment on Eph 5:19).
(Benedict, Baptist historian, Fifty Years Among Baptist, page 204-207)
(Theodore Beza, scholar of Geneva, Girardeau's Instrumental Music, p. 166)(Joseph Bingham, Works, London Edition. Vol. 11, p. 482-484) (Joseph Bingham, Church of England, Works, vol. 3, page 137)
(Charles Burney, A general history of Music, 1957, p. 426)
(John Calvin, Commentary on Psalms 33)
(Adam Clarke (Methodist), Clarke's Commentary, Methodist, Vol. II, pp. 690-691.)
(Lyman Coleman, a Presbyterian, Primitive Church, p. 376-377)
" (Conybeare and Howson, Life and Times of the Apostle Paul, comment on Eph 5:19).
(Edward Dickinson, History of Music, p. 54) (Edward Dickinson, Music in the History of the Western Church, p. 54, 55)
(Fessenden's Encyclopedia of Art and Music, p. 852)
(Theodore Finney, A History of Music, 1947, p. 43)
(George Park Fisher, Yale Professor, History of the Christian Church, p. 65, 121)
(Andrew Fuller, Baptist, Complete works of Andre Fuller, Vol 3, P. 520, 1843)
(J.H. Garrison, Christian Church)
(John Giradeau, Presbyterian professor in Columbia Theological Seminary, Instrumental Music, p. 179)
(James Hasting, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics.)
(Frank Landon Humphreys, Evolution of Church Music, p. 42)
(W. D. Killen, The Ancient Church, pp. 193, 423).
(John Kurtz, Lutheran Scholar, Church History, Vol 1, p. 376)
(Paul Henry Lang, Music in Western Civilization, p. 53-54)
(Hugo Leichtentritt, Music, History and Ideas, Howard University Press: Cambridge, 1958, p 34)
(E. S. Lorenz, Church Music, pp. 217, 250, 404)
(Martin Luther, Mcclintock & Strong's Encyclopedia Volume VI, page 762)
(McClintock and Strong, Cyclopaedia of Biblical Literature, Vol 6, p. 759) (McClintock and Strong, Encyclopedia of Biblical Literature, Vol. 6, Harper and Brothers, New York, 1894, pg. 762.) (McClintock & Strong, Vol. 8, p. 739).
(Emil Nauman, The History of Music. Vol. I, p. 177)
(Albert Henry Newman, A History of the Baptist Churches in the United States, American Baptist Publication Society 1915, p. 207, 255)
(Niceta, a bishop of Remesian or Yugoslavia)
(Kurt Pahlen, Music of the World, p. 27)
(G. I. Papadopoulos, A Historical Survey of Byzantine Ecclesiastical Music (in Greek), Athens, 1904, pp. 10, II).
(Wm. B. Posey, Baptist, The Baptist Church In The Lower Mississippi Valley).
(Questions on the Confession of Faith and Form of Government of The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, published by the Presbyterian Board of Publications, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1842, pg. 55.)
(Waldo Selden Pratt, The History of Music, 1935, p. 64)
(J.E. Riddle, Christian Antiquities, p. 384)
(Frederic Louis Ritter, History of Music from the Christian Era to the Present Time, p. 28)
(A. T. Robertson, Baptist Greek scholar, Baptist Studies in the Nestle James, comment on James 5:13)
(Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 4, pg. 439.)
(Shaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, Vol 2, p. 1702) (Schaff-Herzog, Vol. 3, p. 961). (Schaff-Herzogg Encyclopedia, Vol 10, p. 657-658) (The New Shaff-Herzogg Encyclopedia, 1953, Vol 10, p. 257)
(Charles Spurgeon (Baptist), Commentary on Psalms 42.)
(Thomas Tapper, Essentials of Music History, p. 34)
(Theodoret, a bishop of Cyrhus in Syria, Questions and Answers for the Orthodox)
(New Oxford History of Music, Vol 1, Egon Weliesz, 1957, p. 30)
(John Wesley, founder of Methodism, quoted in Adam Clarke's Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 685)
(Alexander Campbell, recorded in Robert Richardson's biography, Memoirs of Alexander Campbell, Vol. 2., p366)
(Benjamin Franklin, Gospel Preacher, Vol 2, p. 411, 419-429) (Ben Franklin, editor of American Christian Review, 1860.)
(David Lipscomb, Queries and Answers by David Lipscomb p. 226-227, and Gospel Advocate, 1899, p. 376-377)
(J. W. McGarvey, Biblical Criticism, p. 116). (J.W. McGarvey, The Millennial Harbinger, 1864, pp. 511-513.) (J. W. McGarvey, Apostolic Timer 1881, and What Shall We Do About the Organ? p. 4, 10)
(Robert Milligan, Scheme of Redemption, p. 386).
(L. L. Pinkerton, American Christian Review, 1860, as quoted by Cecil Willis in W. W. Otey: Contender for the Faith).
(Barton Stone, Christian Messenger, vol. 3, No. 2, Dec. 1828, p. 48 in bound volume)
(Earl West, Search for the Ancient Order, Vol. 2, pp. 80, 81)

Instrumental Music in Worship wrote:we see conformity to the divine pattern for worship, down to minute details. [...] the burden of proof rests with the proponents of instrumental music; they must prove a divine warrant for such service apart from tabernacle or temple ordinances, if they wish to introduce instrumental music into new covenant worship. Without such a warrant, it is improper to reintroduce such ceremonial observances back into public worship.
Moreover, should the proponents of instrumental music establish a warrant for their use in public worship, it would seem incumbent upon them to restore only the "instruments of David," or such specific instruments as were divinely ordained for use in worship. By any scriptural measure, they would not possess a blanket endorsement to use all musical instruments, according to subjective preferences.

[url=http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/organs.htm]R. L. Dabney[/url] in [i]Against Musical Instruments in Public Worship[/i] wrote:The scripture represents religious music as the vehicle of religious instruction, and imply the necessity of distinct articulation. "I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also, else when thou shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned, say Amen at they giving of thanks—seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest:" lst Corinthians 14; 15 and 16. "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs"—Col. 3:16. These passages fully sustain the assertion that religious music, to be scriptural, must contain intelligible articulate words, conveying some pious instruction or emotion.

[url=http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/instrumental_music.php]Instrumental Music in Worship: Does God Want Singing or Playing Instruments?[/url] wrote:Why does the New Testament contrast so powerfully to the Old Testament regarding instrumental music? If God still wants it today, why does He not clearly mention it in the New Testament, as He mentioned it in the Old Testament? He mentions instruments in the New Testament, but never for our praise to God. Why not?

The Old Testament expressly authorized many practices which are nowhere authorized in New Testament service to God: the seventh-day sabbath, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, burning incense, infant membership, circumcision, tithing, holy days, roast lamb in memorial feasts, dancing, and instrumental music. Since this law does not apply today, people generally omit these from service to God, yet some people want to keep instrumental music. Why leave some but take others?

The very fact that God mentioned these practices repeatedly in the Old Testament, but does not mention them at all in the New Testament, proves that He does not want them now. If He wanted them, He would mention them now as He did then.
[...]
Specifically, we know singing in worship pleases God, because the New Testament commands it. But instrumental music is different from what God said to do in worship. It is nowhere included. Therefore, it must be human in origin and shows disrespect for God.
[...]
Every New Testament passage that mentions music in worship says to sing, speak, teach, etc. In the Old Testament God showed that singing, playing, and dancing are three distinct ways of praising Him musically, and all three were acceptable then. But in the New Testament, God simply says to sing. He never mentions praising him by dancing or by playing instruments.

If God had simply said to praise God with music, then singing, playing, and/or dancing would have been acceptable. But He named only singing, and He omitted dancing or playing instruments. So to dance or play would be to do that which falls outside the meaning of what God said, just like using pine in the ark or hamburger on the Lord's supper.

God does not have to expressly forbid instruments. The fact that He expressly said to sing, but nowhere says to praise with dance or instruments, shows they are displeasing.
When they consider the unauthorized practices we have listed above, some people object to some of the practices, but they accept others. Some want to use instruments but reject the dancing, infant baptism, or hamburger on the Lord's supper. On what basis do we differentiate them? They stand or fall together. The arguments that justify one would also justify the others; and the arguments that eliminate one would also eliminate the others.

If people practice instrumental praise, they cannot consistently oppose infant baptism, sprinkling, hamburger on the Lord's supper, weekday or annual communion, an earthly headquarters for the church, incense, a special priesthood, dancing as praise to God, or any of a hundred other things that the New Testament nowhere expressly forbids. All are eliminated on the grounds that they differ from what God says.

Biker · Post by **Biker** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:55 am

McCulloch wrote:There are Christians who assert strongly that no musical instruments should be used in the worship of God by the followers of Jesus.

aymon de tigliettem lists many who allegedly support this idea:
Thomas Aquinas, Bingham's Antiquities, Vol. 3, page 137)
Augustine 354 A.D., describing the singing at Alexandria under Athanasius)
Chrysostom, 347-407, Exposition of Psalms 41, (381-398 A.D.) Source Readings in Music History, ed. O. Strunk, W. W. Norton and Co.: New York, 1950, pg. 70.)
Clement of Alexandria, 190AD The instructor, Fathers of the church, p. 130) (Clement of Alexandria, 185AD, Readings p. 62)
(Erasmus, Commentary on 1 Corinthians 14:19)
EUSEBIUS(commentary on Psalms 91:2-3)
(Alzog, Catholic Scholar, Church Historian of the University of Freiburg and champion of instrumental music in worship, was faithful to his scholarship when he wrote, Universal Church History, Vol. 1, pp. 696, 697).
(Albert Barnes, a Presbyterian, Notes on The Testament, comment on Eph 5:19).
(Benedict, Baptist historian, Fifty Years Among Baptist, page 204-207)
(Theodore Beza, scholar of Geneva, Girardeau's Instrumental Music, p. 166)(Joseph Bingham, Works, London Edition. Vol. 11, p. 482-484) (Joseph Bingham, Church of England, Works, vol. 3, page 137)
(Charles Burney, A general history of Music, 1957, p. 426)
(John Calvin, Commentary on Psalms 33)
(Adam Clarke (Methodist), Clarke's Commentary, Methodist, Vol. II, pp. 690-691.)

(Lyman Coleman, a Presbyterian, Primitive Church, p. 376-377)
" (Conybeare and Howson, Life and Times of the Apostle Paul, comment on Eph 5:19).
(Edward Dickinson, History of Music, p. 54) (Edward Dickinson, Music in the History of the Western Church, p. 54, 55)
(Fessenden's Encyclopedia of Art and Music, p. 852)
(Theodore Finney, A History of Music, 1947, p. 43)
(George Park Fisher, Yale Professor, History of the Christian Church, p. 65, 121)
(Andrew Fuller, Baptist, Complete works of Andre Fuller, Vol 3, P. 520, 1843)
(J.H. Garrison, Christian Church)
(John Giradeau, Presbyterian professor in Columbia Theological Seminary, Instrumental Music, p. 179)
(James Hasting, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics.)
(Frank Landon Humphreys, Evolution of Church Music, p. 42)
(W. D. Killen, The Ancient Church, pp. 193, 423).
(John Kurtz, Lutheran Scholar, Church History, Vol 1, p. 376)
(Paul Henry Lang, Music in Western Civilization, p. 53-54)
(Hugo Leichtentritt, Music, History and Ideas, Howard University Press: Cambridge, 1958, p 34)
(E. S. Lorenz, Church Music, pp. 217, 250, 404)
(Martin Luther, Mcclintock & Strong's Encyclopedia Volume VI, page 762)
(McClintock and Strong, Cyclopaedia of Biblical Literature, Vol 6, p. 759) (McClintock and Strong, Encyclopedia of Biblical Literature, Vol. 6, Harper and Brothers, New York, 1894, pg. 762.) (McClintock & Strong, Vol. 8, p. 739).
(Emil Nauman, The History of Music. Vol. I, p. 177)
(Albert Henry Newman, A History of the Baptist Churches in the United States, American Baptist Publication Society 1915, p. 207, 255)
(Niceta, a bishop of Remesian or Yugoslavia)
(Kurt Pahlen, Music of the World, p. 27)
(G. I. Papadopoulos, A Historical Survey of Byzantine Ecclesiastical Music (in Greek), Athens, 1904, pp. 10, II).
(Wm. B. Posey, Baptist, The Baptist Church In The Lower Mississippi Valley).
(Questions on the Confession of Faith and Form of Government of The Presbyterian Church in the United States of America, published by the Presbyterian Board of Publications, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1842, pg. 55.)
(Waldo Selden Pratt, The History of Music, 1935, p. 64)
(J.E. Riddle, Christian Antiquities, p. 384)
(Frederic Louis Ritter, History of Music from the Christian Era to the Present Time, p. 28)
(A. T. Robertson, Baptist Greek scholar, Baptist Studies in the Nestle James, comment on James 5:13)
(Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 4, pg. 439.)
(Shaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, Vol 2, p. 1702) (Schaff-Herzog, Vol. 3, p. 961). (Schaff-Herzogg Encyclopedia, Vol 10, p. 657-658) (The New Shaff-Herzogg Encyclopedia, 1953, Vol 10, p. 257)
(Charles Spurgeon (Baptist), Commentary on Psalms 42.)
(Thomas Tapper, Essentials of Music History, p. 34)
(Theodoret, a bishop of Cyrhus in Syria, Questions and Answers for the Orthodox)
(New Oxford History of Music, Vol 1, Egon Weliesz, 1957, p. 30)
(John Wesley, founder of Methodism, quoted in Adam Clarke's Commentary, Vol. 4, p. 685)
(Alexander Campbell, recorded in Robert Richardson's biography, Memoirs of Alexander Campbell, Vol. 2., p366)
(Benjamin Franklin, Gospel Preacher, Vol 2, p. 411, 419-429) (Ben Franklin, editor of American Christian Review, 1860.)
(David Lipscomb, Queries and Answers by David Lipscomb p. 226-227, and Gospel Advocate, 1899, p. 376-377)
(J. W. McGarvey, Biblical Criticism, p. 116). (J.W. McGarvey, The Millennial Harbinger, 1864, pp. 511-513.) (J. W. McGarvey, Apostolic Timer 1881, and What Shall We Do About the Organ? p. 4, 10)
(Robert Milligan, Scheme of Redemption, p. 386).
(L. L. Pinkerton, American Christian Review, 1860, as quoted by Cecil Willis in W. W. Otey: Contender for the Faith).
(Barton Stone, Christian Messenger, vol. 3, No. 2, Dec. 1828, p. 48 in bound volume)
(Earl West, Search for the Ancient Order, Vol. 2, pp. 80, 81)

Instrumental Music in Worship wrote:we see conformity to the divine pattern for worship, down to minute details. [...] the burden of proof rests with the proponents of instrumental music; they must prove a divine warrant for such service apart from tabernacle or temple ordinances, if they wish to introduce instrumental music into new covenant worship. Without such a warrant, it is improper to reintroduce such ceremonial observances back into public worship.
Moreover, should the proponents of instrumental music establish a warrant for their use in public worship, it would seem incumbent upon them to restore only the "instruments of David," or such specific instruments as were divinely ordained for use in worship. By any scriptural measure, they would not possess a blanket endorsement to use all musical instruments, according to subjective preferences.

[url=http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/dabney/organs.htm]R. L. Dabney[/url] in [i]Against Musical Instruments in Public Worship[/i] wrote:The scripture represents religious music as the vehicle of religious instruction, and imply the necessity of distinct articulation. "I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also, else when thou shall bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned, say Amen at they giving of thanks—seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest:" lst Corinthians 14; 15 and 16. "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs"—Col. 3:16. These passages fully sustain the assertion that religious music, to be scriptural, must contain intelligible articulate words, conveying some pious instruction or emotion.

[url=http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/instrumental_music.php]Instrumental Music in Worship: Does God Want Singing or Playing Instruments?[/url] wrote:Why does the New Testament contrast so powerfully to the Old Testament regarding instrumental music? If God still wants it today, why does He not clearly mention it in the New Testament, as He mentioned it in the Old Testament? He mentions instruments in the New Testament, but never for our praise to God. Why not?

The Old Testament expressly authorized many practices which are nowhere authorized in New Testament service to God: the seventh-day sabbath, animal sacrifices, Levitical priesthood, burning incense, infant membership, circumcision, tithing, holy days, roast lamb in memorial feasts, dancing, and instrumental music. Since this law does not apply today, people generally omit these from service to God, yet some people want to keep instrumental music. Why leave some but take others?

The very fact that God mentioned these practices repeatedly in the Old Testament, but does not mention them at all in the New Testament, proves that He does not want them now. If He wanted them, He would mention them now as He did then.
[...]
Specifically, we know singing in worship pleases God, because the New Testament commands it. But instrumental music is different from what God said to do in worship. It is nowhere included. Therefore, it must be human in origin and shows disrespect for God.
[...]
Every New Testament passage that mentions music in worship says to sing, speak, teach, etc. In the Old Testament God showed that singing, playing, and dancing are three distinct ways of praising Him musically, and all three were acceptable then. But in the New Testament, God simply says to sing. He never mentions praising him by dancing or by playing instruments.

If God had simply said to praise God with music, then singing, playing, and/or dancing would have been acceptable. But He named only singing, and He omitted dancing or playing instruments. So to dance or play would be to do that which falls outside the meaning of what God said, just like using pine in the ark or hamburger on the Lord's supper.

God does not have to expressly forbid instruments. The fact that He expressly said to sing, but nowhere says to praise with dance or instruments, shows they are displeasing.
When they consider the unauthorized practices we have listed above, some people object to some of the practices, but they accept others. Some want to use instruments but reject the dancing, infant baptism, or hamburger on the Lord's supper. On what basis do we differentiate them? They stand or fall together. The arguments that justify one would also justify the others; and the arguments that eliminate one would also eliminate the others.

If people practice instrumental praise, they cannot consistently oppose infant baptism, sprinkling, hamburger on the Lord's supper, weekday or annual communion, an earthly headquarters for the church, incense, a special priesthood, dancing as praise to God, or any of a hundred other things that the New Testament nowhere expressly forbids. All are eliminated on the grounds that they differ from what God says.

Mac,
You must really be bored?
I suggest that its OK since it is not expressly condemned, if your so inclined to not use music, have at it, if you want music have at it.The bigger problem in my view is that we don't creatively worship God enough with or without music.Mans religion is kind of like that you know.I prefer loud music with a large horn section because it drowns out all the people who couldn't carry a note in a dump truck.
Hey I've got one for you, if you want to be shocked, I drink a little beer and wine. I know its off topic but I'll bet that rises the ire, of the stuffy religious folk. At least I hope it does. Maybe its fodder for another thread?

Biker

Biker · Post by **Biker** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:06 am

diggnate and Mac,
I went to the website of this aymon de tigliettem and I really did not realize that there is active resistance to that degree to music in religion. Kind of creepy. I'm going to look into this more, kind of peaked my interest.
My initial thoughts on it are:when the NT was written they (believers) were more intent on keeping from being killed because of their faith than putting together a worship music section. Evangelism and discipleship were priorities as was survival. Common sense would dictate that when Christianity was in the primitive state when the NT was written that in Israel most were Jewish converts going to synagogue, Paul traveling establishing gentile churchs largely with Jewish converts at the outset adding gentiles over time. I could see the initial churchs trying to be low profile not wanting to draw attention needlessly. Persecution arose so they would meet secretly not wanting to make noise (joyful). I could see how instrumentation wasn't high on the priority list (beside how would you carry a tuba around on your missionary journey). Those had to be the primary reasons. Not music=bad sing=good. I think it was a practical thing as opposed to a music bad thing.
The Lord was pretty happy with David, and was called a man after Gods own heart and David played his harp to the Lord and stripped down bare chested and danced with all his might before the Lord and all Israel.

Biker

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:14 am

McCulloch wrote:There are Christians who assert strongly that no musical instruments should be used in the worship of God by the followers of Jesus.

Biker wrote:You must really be bored?

Yes, but I am making a point. Here are a group of people who are extreme biblical literalists who do make a good argument that there is no justification for musical instruments in New Testament worship. They absolutely believe in music in worship. Some of them are the greatest amateur acapella groups around. Their argument is that musical instruments do not fit the purpose given for music in worship and there are no NT instructions to use musical instruments in worship.

Biker wrote:how would you carry a tuba around on your missionary journey?

Ask the Sally Anne

.

Biker wrote:The Lord was pretty happy with David, and was called a man after Gods own heart and David played his harp to the Lord and stripped down bare chested and danced with all his might before the Lord and all Israel.

Check the links, they do dismiss that argument.
http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bi ... _music.php is quite thorough and systematic.

Biker · Post by **Biker** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:23 pm

McCulloch wrote:
McCulloch wrote:There are Christians who assert strongly that no musical instruments should be used in the worship of God by the followers of Jesus.

Biker wrote:You must really be bored?
Yes, but I am making a point. Here are a group of people who are extreme biblical literalists who do make a good argument that there is no justification for musical instruments in New Testament worship. They absolutely believe in music in worship. Some of them are the greatest amateur acapella groups around. Their argument is that musical instruments do not fit the purpose given for music in worship and there are no NT instructions to use musical instruments in worship.

Biker wrote:how would you carry a tuba around on your missionary journey?
Ask the Sally Anne .

Biker wrote:The Lord was pretty happy with David, and was called a man after Gods own heart and David played his harp to the Lord and stripped down bare chested and danced with all his might before the Lord and all Israel.
Check the links, they do dismiss that argument.
http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bi ... _music.php is quite thorough and systematic.

Mac,
Thats Church of Christ doctrine. They have been saying that for years. With his reasoning we would throw out the 10 commandments too. I'm going to do a word study on this thing.

Biker

youngborean · Post by **youngborean** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:40 pm

I guess this website also thinks David was not a man after God's heart.

Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery [and] an instrument of ten strings.

Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

Silence about instruments in the NT should not supercede a exhortation in the old. The website you listed are people who simply have misguided philosophies and interpretations of scripture. Play your instrument. The problem I have with most CCM is that they don't play skillfully.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:59 am

youngborean wrote:I guess this website also thinks David was not a man after God's heart.

Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery [and] an instrument of ten strings.

Psa 33:3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.

They do deal with the issue of David.

youngborean wrote:Silence about instruments in the NT should not supercede a exhortation in the old. The website you listed are people who simply have misguided philosophies and interpretations of scripture. Play your instrument.

I agree that these are people who have misguided philosophies, but I believe that of anyone who is religious. Which principles of interpretation have they violated?

Biker wrote:That's Church of Christ doctrine. They have been saying that for years.

Yes, it is. However, it is ad hominem to claim that is it a wrong doctrine because of that. They teach, for instance, that the Bible is inerrant.

Biker wrote:With his reasoning we would throw out the 10 commandments too.

Most Christians do. The fourth commandment about the Sabbath is not observed by the majority of Christians. All of the other nine are repeated or expanded in the NT.

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