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[Wootah]

I've recently been watching a lot of their videos and found them
quite solid. But they teach that the law of the Torah is still in effect.

https://www.119ministries.com

This is some shade against them.
https://www.gotquestions.org/119-Ministries.html

Anyone want to present a counter argument to this notion?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Wootah]

ROMANS 10:4
For Christ is the end of the Law - NWT

EPHESIANS 2:15
By means of his flesh he [Jesus] abolished the emnity, the law of commandements consisting in decrees - NWT

"He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations." - NLT

ROMANS 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law [...]

VIDEO LECTURE: Geoffrey W. Jackson: Jesus Fulfilled the Law (Matt. 5:43)
https://tv.jw.org/#en/mediaitems/VODPgm ... 5_12_VIDEO

Online blog: Mattew 5v17
https://fosterheologicalreflections.blo ... moses.html



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[Elijah John]

I've recently been watching a lot of their videos and found them
quite solid. But they teach that the law of the Torah is still in effect.

https://www.119ministries.com

This is some shade against them.
https://www.gotquestions.org/119-Ministries.html

Anyone want to present a counter argument to this notion?

They refer to "Scripture" by which they seem to mean the 66 books of the Protestant canon. If they include the New Testament, how then can they observe all the laws of the Torah, including animal sacrifices?

Yes, one can observe Jewish holidays, etc. That is one thing. But one cannot believe in, advocate for, or perform animal sacrifice and still be a New Testament Christian, or a follower of "Scripture" as the 119 people put it..

[polonius]

Once again were are encountering the same basic question.

Is scripture created by God or men?

Suggested solution:

If scripture can be shown to contain errors and/or contradictions, it is the word of men (no matter how well intended). Error is not possible with God.

[Wootah]

Once again were are encountering the same basic question.

Is scripture created by God or men?

Suggested solution:

If scripture can be shown to contain errors and/or contradictions, it is the word of men (no matter how well intended). Error is not possible with God.

You might be just all too ready to reach that conclusion.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 3 by Elijah John]

I'm sure I saw a blog post that said if the temple was rebuilt we should perform sacrifices there. Anyway, I have another week on the train, to listen to them and see what I think of it all.

[Elijah John]

Once again were are encountering the same basic question.

Is scripture created by God or men?

Suggested solution:

If scripture can be shown to contain errors and/or contradictions, it is the word of men (no matter how well intended). Error is not possible with God.

Or another solution: Though the Transmitter and His message is perfect, the reciever? Not so much. The filter is faulty, tainted by human imperfection and bias.

[brianbbs67]

They make some good points about modern Christianity but then they make the point that they alone have the right message. "and you have a choice to make, now that we have told you" Yes, we all have a choice to make. But, is their "truth" the truth? I kinda doubt it. But, who am I?

[Tcg]

Once again were are encountering the same basic question.

Is scripture created by God or men?

Suggested solution:

If scripture can be shown to contain errors and/or contradictions, it is the word of men (no matter how well intended). Error is not possible with God.

Or another solution: Though the Transmitter and His message is perfect, the reciever? Not so much. The filter is faulty, tainted by human imperfection and bias.

This would work if it weren't for the fact that the Transmitter is the creator of the receiver.

If the filter is faulty, as you describe it, then it is the fault of the Transmitter given that it created the filter.

If the message doesn't get through, than either the Transmitter is faulty or else it planed for the message to fail.

The Transmitter is either incompetent or else enjoys playing games with humans. A third option would be that it is both.

[Elijah John]

Once again were are encountering the same basic question.

Is scripture created by God or men?

Suggested solution:

If scripture can be shown to contain errors and/or contradictions, it is the word of men (no matter how well intended). Error is not possible with God.

Or another solution: Though the Transmitter and His message is perfect, the reciever? Not so much. The filter is faulty, tainted by human imperfection and bias.

This would work if it weren't for the fact that the Transmitter is the creator of the receiver.

If the filter is faulty, as you describe it, then it is the fault of the Transmitter given that it created the filter.

If the message doesn't get through, than either the Transmitter is faulty or else it planed for the message to fail.

The Transmitter is either incompetent or else enjoys playing games with humans. A third option would be that it is both.

I have to admit, I do wonder sometimes why God does not safegaurd his message. Prehaps because he wants us to use our God-given Reason in the process of Scripture interpretation. To sort Truth from error, or as Jefferson put it, the "diamonds from the dung".

Maybe God corrects previous erroneous Scripture, with additional revelation, in a process of prgressive revelation. The Prophets, including Jesus, corrected the harshness of Mosaic law. Paul was probably a false teacher/prophet, and was never supposed to have been considered a writer of Scipture in the first place. Then Mohammed comes along to correct the notion that God has a (literal) Son. That is progress, a return to pure Monotheism. But Islam too, has it's errors.

Maybe it's up to the scholars now, and not prophets to bring us closer to ultimate Truth. Or maybe Thomas Paine in his Deism was right. That the only reliable Scipture we have is the "Creation we behold", wihch speaks of God's wisdom, power and benevolence, and cannot be corrupted or mistranslated.