Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine Examined

[tigger2]

[tigger2]

Gen. 18:1-19:1 tells of three "men" who meet Abraham. These three turned out to be angels of Jehovah, and only one of them speaks for God (as in the burning bush of Exodus). Again God is properly represented by one, single individual even though it would have been incredibly easy (and appropriate, if true) for God to have used all three persons here to represent him equally as God.

Even the highly trinitarian NIVSB admits in its footnote for Gen. 18:2 -
"three men. At least two of the 'men' were angels (see 19:1; see also note on 16:7). The third may have been the Lord himself..." [And the NIVSB footnote on Gen. 16:7 referred to above says:] ".... It may be, however, that as the Lord's personal messenger who represented him and bore his credentials, the [single] angel could speak on behalf of (and so be identified with) the One who sent him" - The NIV Study Bible, Zondervan Publ., 1985.

And the extremely trinitarian ISBE admits:

"Gen 18-- Abraham intercedes with the angel for Sodom" - p. 133, Vol. 1, The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1984 printing.

Yes, truly, here was a perfect opportunity to show at least a hint of a 3-person God. But, instead, as always, the inspired Bible writer shows the solitary figure of a single angel representing Jehovah, the only true God! God is one person only, the Father - Jehovah!

[liamconnor]

[Replying to post 1 by tigger2]

What exactly is the QforD in the OP? OPs are not for presenting one's dissertation on a topic. An OP of this length will probably deter people.

[Wootah]

Please carefully and thoroughly search to find a vision, dream, or clear description in scripture wherein God is visibly shown as more than one person.

Thoughts

1) Clear is a subjective term.

2) If there were clear and multiple visions and dreams of three people it would probably undermine the idea of monotheism totally in the Bible.

3) There are plenty of wrinkles in the bible the non trinitarian nneds to explain. Why wouldn't God know he is one person and allow those wrinkles?
Examples: https://overviewbible.com/trinity-bible-verses/

4) i offer revelation 4 and 5 as a vision dream of the Holy Spirit, Father and Son.

[tigger2]

Wootah wrote:

4) i offer revelation 4 and 5 as a vision dream of the Holy Spirit, Father and Son.

Like Ezekiel's vision there is only one person who is God seated on his throne.

See Challenge A above concerning the visions in Ezekiel and Revelation.

[Wootah]

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 1 by tigger2]

What exactly is the QforD in the OP? OPs are not for presenting one's dissertation on a topic. An OP of this length will probably deter people.

It shouldn't be too hard to see that I am asking 'Can you prove Challenge A is incorrect? Can you prove that Challenge B is incorrect? Can you ....'

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 15 by Wootah]

Show me where anyone in these visions except the one seated on the throne is called God.

[tigger2]

[Replying to post 15 by Wootah]

Let me rephrase then:

Like Ezekiel's vision there is only one person who is shown as God, and he is the one seated on his throne.

See Challenge A above concerning the visions in Ezekiel and Revelation.

[Wootah]

Question for tigger2: If there were many clear images of three beings representing God in the Bible would you be a trinitarian or polytheist?

[Wootah]