Filtered love.

[Elijah John]

John 15.9

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

For debate, why does the Synoptic Jesus preach direct love from the Father vs. Jesus as portrayed in John preaches a "filtered love". Love from the Father, through the Son to everyone else.

He goes on to say in verse 10

If ye shall keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

The "our Father" of the Synoptics becomes "my" Father in John. Why?

Why does John's Jesus filter the Father's love though himself, in contrast to the Synoptic Jesus who preaches a more direct relationship to the Father for his disciples?

[dio9]

[Replying to post 10 by Elijah John]

Yes there were many who thought and practiced direct interaction with God , but John insisted Jesus' way was the best way to interact with God, there was no need to follow other teachers, Jesus was the ultimate Rabbi. And there were other charismatic non orthodox Christian leaders in John's days. John says there is no other and there never was or will be another . John said Jesus' word was the word of God from alpha to omega , anything other would be less than that.

[2timothy316]

The dictionary discribes filtered as "passing through a device to remove unwanted material."

What unwanted material is being removed?

[DPMartin]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]



one can't receive the love of a father unless one becomes a child of, in this case through the Life of the Son, by receiving the Life of the Son, one experiences the Love of the Father.


one receives the life from the parents as a child of, when born into the world, one receives the Life of the Son through the Son when born of the "Holy Spirit".

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]



one can't receive the love of a father unless one becomes a child of, in this case through the Life of the Son, by receiving the Life of the Son, one experiences the Love of the Father.


one receives the life from the parents as a child of, when born into the world, one receives the Life of the Son through the Son when born of the "Holy Spirit".

Jesus, like any good Jewish Rabbi, taught us to directly address God as "Father" and only in the Gospel of John did "Jesus" teach us to pray "in Jesus name". Why do you suppose that is? "In Jesus name" is no part of the Lord's Prayer, otherwise known as the "Our Father".

Yes, the mediated love of God through "the Son" may well work for you. But others, including King David have experienced God's love directly. And still today, and so it goes...

[brianbbs67]

I don't know why people can't directly access God. He is, right there. Knocking at the door.

[Elijah John]

I don't know why people can't directly access God. He is, right there. Knocking at the door.

If it were not so, Jesus would not have taught "the Father knows what you need before you ask".

Also there's this. Psalm 145.17-18 New Jerusalem Bible

Upright in all that he does, Yahweh acts only in faithful love. He is close to all who call upon him, who call on him from the heart.

He is also close to the brokenhearted. (Psalm 34.18)

Sounds pretty direct. No mediator needed. Seems to me that to deny direct access to YHVH is to deny His omnipotence as well as His love.

And this does not sound like the monster His detractors make Him out to be. Nor is His love focused (and filtered) entirely though the cross and John 3.16.

[Elijah John]

The dictionary discribes filtered as "passing through a device to remove unwanted material."

What unwanted material is being removed?

Perhaps "filtered" is not the best word. How about "mediated" instead. Mediated as opposed to direct. There is plenty of evidence in this thread that God is accesible directly, no mediation required.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 10 by Elijah John]

Yes there were many who thought and practiced direct interaction with God , but John insisted Jesus' way was the best way to interact with God, there was no need to follow other teachers, Jesus was the ultimate Rabbi. And there were other charismatic non orthodox Christian leaders in John's days. John says there is no other and there never was or will be another . John said Jesus' word was the word of God from alpha to omega , anything other would be less than that.

To put it in some historical context, one of the HJ scholars makes the point that John was written around the time Christians were being expelled from the Synagogue. So in effect, the GoJ, (especially John 14.6) is basically saying "we don't need you anyway, we have Jesus!"

[2timothy316]

The dictionary discribes filtered as "passing through a device to remove unwanted material."

What unwanted material is being removed?

Perhaps "filtered" is not the best word. How about "mediated" instead. Mediated as opposed to direct. There is plenty of evidence in this thread that God is accesible directly, no mediation required.

He is directly accessible. Prayer is the only thing not given to Jesus. Jehovah kept that to Himself. To pray through His Son is to recognize Jesus as Jehovah's appointed High Priest, Judge and King. John 14:6) John 5:22; Hebrews 6:20. He gave his life because of his loyalty to his Father and his love for us. Jehovah gave him a higher position because of this. No prayers are harmed in this arrangement. Prayers are not unheard by Jehovah. The answers to prayers will be carried out by His Son anyway and His Son is happy to carry those things out. From what I hear, Jesus likes to heal, help and teach people. I don't know why this is an issue. Seems petty to complain about it and frankly unappreciative to want to exclude someone that all they want to do is serve both God and man because it makes them happy.

[bluethread]

The dictionary discribes filtered as "passing through a device to remove unwanted material."

What unwanted material is being removed?

Perhaps "filtered" is not the best word. How about "mediated" instead. Mediated as opposed to direct. There is plenty of evidence in this thread that God is accesible directly, no mediation required.

The verses regarding Yeshua being a mediator is in the context of judgement. In a legal sense, the mediator between the righteousness of Adonai and the guilt of men is the accomplishments of Yeshua, as a man.