To put it in "Old" Testament terms

[Elijah John]

Granted that the name "Jesus Christ" does not appear in the Hebrew Bible. The "Old" Testament.

But to put it in OT terms, how many heroes of the Old Testament accepted the Messiah as their "personal Lord and Savior"? Or looked to the Messiah for the forgiveness of their sins?

Did anyone in the Old Testament look to anyone but YHVH God as their Savior?

[ttruscott]

Granted that the name "Jesus Christ" does not appear in the Hebrew Bible. The "Old" Testament.

But to put it in OT terms, how many heroes of the Old Testament accepted the Messiah as their "personal Lord and Savior"? Or looked to the Messiah for the forgiveness of their sins?

Did anyone in the Old Testament look to anyone but YHVH God as their Savior?

Look to YHVH God as their Saviour IS to look at salvation through the work of the Messiah without the details which were not yet revealed but were, indeed, in operation all the way back to Adam. The salvic effects of His death worked from the time of the promise, not just after the actual time of His death.

[Elijah John]

Granted that the name "Jesus Christ" does not appear in the Hebrew Bible. The "Old" Testament.

But to put it in OT terms, how many heroes of the Old Testament accepted the Messiah as their "personal Lord and Savior"? Or looked to the Messiah for the forgiveness of their sins?

Did anyone in the Old Testament look to anyone but YHVH God as their Savior?

Look to YHVH God as their Saviour IS to look at salvation through the work of the Messiah without the details which were not yet revealed but were, indeed, in operation all the way back to Adam. The salvic effects of His death worked from the time of the promise, not just after the actual time of His death.

So then, according to that line of thinking, Jews of today who look only to Father YHVH (Adonai) for salvation, are implicitly covered by the merits of Jesus even though they do not acknowledge him that way?

[bluethread]

So then, according to that line of thinking, Jews of today who look only to Father YHVH (Adonai) for salvation, are implicitly covered by the merits of Jesus even though they do not acknowledge him that way?

I don't mean to speak for ttruscott. However, I do believe that is possible. It is belief in the Promise as exemplified by Yeshua that saves, not full understanding of proper theology.

[brianbbs67]

"it is your belief that saves you"

God offered absolution over and over in the OT. Give up your evil ways was His only requirement. Christ seemed to uphold this.

[ttruscott]

"it is your belief that saves you"

God offered absolution over and over in the OT. Give up your evil ways was His only requirement. Christ seemed to uphold this.

It is written:
1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

If you seek YHWH, you will find Christ.

[polonius]

From the OP

Granted that the name "Jesus Christ" does not appear in the Hebrew Bible. The "Old" Testament.

But to put it in OT terms, how many heroes of the Old Testament accepted the Messiah as their "personal Lord and Savior"? Or looked to the Messiah for the forgiveness of their sins?

RESPONSE: None did.

Did anyone in the Old Testament look to anyone but YHVH God as their Savior?

RESPONSE: An alternate story hadn't been invented yet

Look to YHVH God as their Saviour IS to look at salvation through the work of the Messiah without the details which were not yet revealed but were, indeed, in operation all the way back to Adam. The salvic effects of His death worked from the time of the promise, not just after the actual time of His death.

RESPONSE: Do the Jews hold this view?

[Elijah John]

"it is your belief that saves you"

God offered absolution over and over in the OT. Give up your evil ways was His only requirement. Christ seemed to uphold this.

It is written:
1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

If you seek YHWH, you will find Christ.

So...Jews seek YHVH, that is what their religion is all about. But most do not find "Christ". Why is that?

Is your claim here erroneous, or are they just not seeking YHVH the "right way"?

Many seem to have found YHVH God without finding "Christ".

[brianbbs67]

"it is your belief that saves you"

God offered absolution over and over in the OT. Give up your evil ways was His only requirement. Christ seemed to uphold this.

It is written:
1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

If you seek YHWH, you will find Christ.

So...Jews seek YHVH, that is what their religion is all about. But most do not find "Christ". Why is that?

Is your claim here erroneous, or are they just not seeking YHVH the "right way"?

Many seem to have found YHVH God without finding "Christ".

I am saying salvation comes from God. Christ an instrument of it. I am finding that most of the sayings of Christ(the original title of Mathew) are contained in the Talmud(Misnah revisions too) and the Tanakh and most are attributed to Hillel the head of the Pharisees in Jesus' time. I am almost convinced Christ was a follower of Hillel. Hillel was in the manor of Christ, also, in the way he conducted himself. And he was troubled by his fellows also because of his humble behavior.

[Elijah John]

"it is your belief that saves you"

God offered absolution over and over in the OT. Give up your evil ways was His only requirement. Christ seemed to uphold this.

It is written:
1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and we should love one another just as He commanded us.

If you seek YHWH, you will find Christ.

So...Jews seek YHVH, that is what their religion is all about. But most do not find "Christ". Why is that?

Is your claim here erroneous, or are they just not seeking YHVH the "right way"?

Many seem to have found YHVH God without finding "Christ".

I am saying salvation comes from God. Christ an instrument of it. I am finding that most of the sayings of Christ(the original title of Mathew) are contained in the Talmud(Misnah revisions too) and the Tanakh and most are attributed to Hillel the head of the Pharisees in Jesus' time. I am almost convinced Christ was a follower of Hillel. Hillel was in the manor of Christ, also, in the way he conducted himself. And he was troubled by his fellows also because of his humble behavior.

I would say that Jesus is "savior" only insomuch as he pointed to Father YHVH as savior. He did preach the love and mercy of the Father. And his theophonic name means "YHVH saves" or "YHVH is salvation". Apt.

Interesting comments regarding Hillel. I think there's something to that comparison, but am not too familiar with him beyond his encapsulating the Torah with his version of the Golden Rule. And that he was a reformer too.