For Non-trinitarians: Who is Jesus

jgh7 · Post by **jgh7** » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:36 am

There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is. It's pretty simple on the trinitarian side, only one option: Jesus is God. But for non-trinitarians who don't believe Jesus is God, there are numerous options. In another thread someone interpreted him as an archangel which I had never heard before. And then I just got to wondering how many other non-trinitarian interpretations there are.

If you're a non-trinitarian, what are your beliefs about Jesus? Was he only a man? Was he an angel? Was he somewhere in between man and angel? Maybe somewhere in between angel and God? Is he all-knowing and all-powerful? Did he exist from the very beginning? What does it mean for him to be God's son, is that any more special than the angels and us being sons of God? Basically give me your best description, not so much of who Jesus is, but more along the lines of what Jesus is if that makes sense to you.

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:51 am

To me, and I am not completely against a trinity of a sort., Christ is the Son of man. God's only begotten of woman. He deferred to the Father, prayed to the Father and gave all glory to the Father. He never claimed to be the same as God.

I also think that whether the trinity is truth or not is a sidebar. As long as only God is addressed as God, all will be well.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:28 pm

Monta wrote: [Replying to post 8 by marco]

"I think it would be premature, then, to call him a bridegroom if there was no bride in evidence. "

The bride is at least 2000 ys old.

They are having a long engagement, then.

Until faith finally becomes sight.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:53 pm

[Replying to post 11 by brianbbs67]

I also think that whether the trinity is truth or not is a sidebar. As long as only God is addressed as God, all will be well.

Trinity believers address the Father as God, the Son as God, and the Holy Spirit as God.

They say that is three Persons but one God.

God the Father, God te Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:56 pm

Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 11 by brianbbs67]

I also think that whether the trinity is truth or not is a sidebar. As long as only God is addressed as God, all will be well.
Trinity believers address the Father as God, the Son as God, and the Holy Spirit as God.

They say that is three Persons but one God.

God the Father, God te Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

We all think many things in our lives.

My question or proposal is that , if all pray to God only , prayers are received. As God has been addressed as the Lord.(however the rest of the belief goes to a degree)

marco · Post by **marco** » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:27 am

Monta wrote: [Replying to post 8 by marco]

"I think it would be premature, then, to call him a bridegroom if there was no bride in evidence. "

The bride is at least 2000 ys old.

Ah, perhaps Jesus is just being extra careful. I trust the offspring and blessings will appear after marriage. I wonder why, in dealing with Christ, we have to entertain these far-fetched images: lambs, shepherds, motorways and here, fiancés. Whoever Jesus is he's amazingly versatile.

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:18 pm

Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 11 by brianbbs67]

I also think that whether the trinity is truth or not is a sidebar. As long as only God is addressed as God, all will be well.
Trinity believers address the Father as God, the Son as God, and the Holy Spirit as God.

They say that is three Persons but one God.

God the Father, God te Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

RESPONSE:

And the three members of the Trinity are "coequal"

Yes, that had to start about 85 AD when people bagan to believe that Jesus was divine. If resulted in the Jewish-Christians being declared apostates (see 12 Benediction) and excluded from Jewish synagogues . So the Church had to come up with an explanation. It did, the Trinity.

A problem with that such a claim though. The three persons had to be "coequal".

Are they?

EBA · Post by **EBA** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:33 am

jgh7 wrote: There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Peace

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:39 am

polonius.advice wrote:
Checkpoint wrote: [Replying to post 11 by brianbbs67]

I also think that whether the trinity is truth or not is a sidebar. As long as only God is addressed as God, all will be well.
Trinity believers address the Father as God, the Son as God, and the Holy Spirit as God.

They say that is three Persons but one God.

God the Father, God te Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
RESPONSE:

And the three members of the Trinity are "coequal"

Yes, that had to start about 85 AD when people bagan to believe that Jesus was divine. If resulted in the Jewish-Christians being declared apostates (see 12 Benediction) and excluded from Jewish synagogues . So the Church had to come up with an explanation. It did, the Trinity.

A problem with that such a claim though. The three persons had to be "coequal".

Are they?

You keep asking this and I have replied. They don't appear as coequal in my rendering of scripture. Christ only claimed the son. God sent His spirit many times, never did He say it was Him.

I don't have enough info to claim the trinity thing starts around 85 AD, to claim it so. I know, by 325 it was believed by some. Seems to me, if we are to imitate Christ, we should look for pre 300 practices and remember Yeshau/christ was a Jew. And he came for them first.(Isreal)

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:21 am

EBA wrote:
jgh7 wrote: There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.
Jesus Christ is .,. our Father.

Peace

So is Jesus God, the father?

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:42 am

EBA wrote:
jgh7 wrote: There have been tons of debates against the trinity, but I only just realized that I don't even know where non-trinitarians stand on who Jesus is.
Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Peace

Wait....let's put this in the form of math equation.

Jesus Christ is "EVERYTHING" except "The Father."

∀ = Jesus
Jesus ≠ Father

And yes, he is God and he is our Father.

Jesus = God
Jesus = Father

The statement is an impossibility. Jesus can't both be 'not Father' and be 'Father'.

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