What are people to do?

[Waterfall]

I think it is very strange that people have to wait forever to be resurrected.

Has this idea not a time limit? 1000 year? 10.000 year? 100.000 year? 1.000.000 year?

If there is no time limit then people could wait forever, right?

Would God not demand a time limit (or date) if someone were to say things like that?

When should people abandon this idea?

Lets say Satan tells Jesus that he will destroy him and Jesus respond by saying...very well...can you give me a date? When will you destroy me? Someday? Thats like forever and never? How long time should I wait for this destruction or should I say...when things do not happen then we know it was not true, so can you give me a date - 2040?

How can we tell truth from lie whitout a date?

Maybe it has nothing to do whit time...but something else.

When this happens, then...

But then we would ask about that...what has to happen? Will it happen when everybody is dead (God will raise mankind from the dead?)? Then there could go a very long time, so...

What are your thoughts about this idea?

[Monta]

I think it is very strange that people have to wait forever to be resurrected.

Has this idea not a time limit? 1000 year? 10.000 year? 100.000 year? 1.000.000 year?

What are your thoughts about this idea?

Most Christians do not believe that they have to wait.

God is not God of the dead but of the living.

Why wait as if God did not have enough time to prepare a place for us?
Jesus promised that He would and He's already had 2000 years.

[brianbbs67]

If time means nothing, if dates mean nothing, then the dead know nothing, till they are raised. Time is created for us here, I believe. I don't worry what will happen when I die, either. I will be dead. Its moot.

The idea of a soul or spirit has been around for a very long time.



Maybe this is a true account of Jesus life:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a14.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a28.htm

I don't deny the soul. But, we are told we will sleep until we are risen again. We have learned in this life that matter can not be destroyed, only transformed.

[Waterfall]

Does God know the date?

Yes absolutely. God knows the date, the hour the minute when he will start to resurrect the dead.

Repairing the damage done by Satan...does that mean...when there is peace on earth then it will happen (the resurrection of the dead)?

Yes, that is it exactly.

God will first kill off wicked people. Only those he judges as righteous will be left on earth (Have you heard of the expression "The meek shall inherit the earth", that's when that will come true).

Only when this has been done, will God start to resurrect people from the dead. It will be a wonderful time.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

When there is peace on earth...but if it do not happen (the resurrection of the dead)...should people then call God a liar? Or should people just abandon this idea?

You seem to think there can only come peace by killing the wicked...but the wicked dies already. Death comes upon everybody (good and bad). Can you not wait for the world to become a better place? I am not saying that you should just sit and wait and do nothing. But all this talk about killing people is not good. That is not the way of God.

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a01.htm

What do you think about these questions (and the answer)?

I will also point to this commentary (for clarification):

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-ko01.htm

The commentary is not on this website (for some reason I do not know):

http://thelightuniversal.org/welcometothelight.html

But it is here:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/

Maybe I should not ask these questions, because of this:

http://thelightuniversal.org/welcometothelight.html

"These are answers to questions from humanity. As requested by the ones who bring the message1, any who come into possession of this work are urged to read the work withholding judgement, or condemning it, before a most careful consideration of all the information conveyed in its answers. Let your conscience speak. You will eventually have to deal with this information, but the sooner the better. Help humanity and save yourself from much trouble and avoidable suffering."

But the questions are relevant and the answer to, right?

From the Bible I have found this:

http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm

"In the beginning God created heaven and earth" and that is a good beginning. But its not the whole story about God.

[Waterfall]

If time means nothing, if dates mean nothing, then the dead know nothing, till they are raised. Time is created for us here, I believe. I don't worry what will happen when I die, either. I will be dead. Its moot.

The idea of a soul or spirit has been around for a very long time.



Maybe this is a true account of Jesus life:

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a14.htm

http://uk.vandrermodlyset.dk/m-a28.htm

Indeed, the idea of "a soul or spirit"---that is, one that lives on after the individual is dead---has been around for a very long time. It was Satan's original LIE. He said, "Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4, KJV) That was the start of the false belief, perpetrated by all Babylonish religions, that the individual lives on in some form even after the death of the body.

They have twisted the Scriptures and misrepresented them. When the "spirit" is talked about, it is actually never in reference to a departed individual who is now conscious in some other realm. But sly persons have taught that the "spirit" refers to a departed person in an ethereal form, which has caused nothing but confusion and anxiety and a great departure in revering the one true God.


https://www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Soul

But if Adam and Eve are going to be resurrected then they are not going to die, so was the snake telling the truth?

[Monta]

[Replying to post 24 by Waterfall]



"But if Adam and Eve are going to be resurrected then they are not going to die, so was the snake telling the truth?"

Jesus was ever speaking of spiritual death.

[JehovahsWitness]

all this talk about killing people is not good. That is not the way of God.

That depends on which God you're talking about.

DOES THE BIBLE PREDICT THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED?

PROVERBS 2:22
As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, And the treacherous will be torn away from it.

PSALSM 104:35
The sinners will vanish from the earth, And the wicked will no longer exist

PSALMS 37:38
But all the transgressors will be destroyed; The future of wicked people will be cut off

2 PETER 3:7
The heavens and the earth that now exist are reserved for fire and are being kept until the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly people.

2 THESSELONIANS 1:7-9
At the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance on those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength

[ttruscott]

But if Adam and Eve are going to be resurrected then they are not going to die, so was the snake telling the truth?

It is my contention that the serpent was using this truth that they all knew was YHWH's truth to entice Eve into disobedience. She thought he was leading her to prove her faithfulness to YHWH and this truth by disregarding the consequences of disobedience.

[William]

[Replying to post 14 by onewithhim]

Indeed, the idea of "a soul or spirit"---that is, one that lives on after the individual is dead---has been around for a very long time. It was Satan's original LIE. He said, "Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4, KJV) That was the start of the false belief, perpetrated by all Babylonish religions, that the individual lives on in some form even after the death of the body.

They have twisted the Scriptures and misrepresented them. When the "spirit" is talked about, it is actually never in reference to a departed individual who is now conscious in some other realm. But sly persons have taught that the "spirit" refers to a departed person in an ethereal form, which has caused nothing but confusion and anxiety and a great departure in revering the one true God.

Well my personal experience is evidence which trumps your faith based beliefs, so knock on my door in the name of Jehovah all you want, I will always take the opportunity to tell a JW that I have experienced OOB and that it is a liberating thing to have happen to anyone.

So you have a belief that a book that you rely on to being the word of GOD and place your faith in that belief.
I have knowledge through experience.
Your book (or interpretation of the books contents and what it says happens to an individual after their body dies) is no match for personal experience. I say more about this here;

Finding evidence through experiment/experience

[Waterfall]

But if Adam and Eve are going to be resurrected then they are not going to die, so was the snake telling the truth?

It is my contention that the serpent was using this truth that they all knew was YHWH's truth to entice Eve into disobedience. She thought he was leading her to prove her faithfulness to YHWH and this truth by disregarding the consequences of disobedience.

How are we to understand this story?

Why not begin whit eating of the tree of life and then eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Could Adam fall whitout Eve or Eve whitout Adam?

[2timothy316]

Is the Bible wrong though? Are we truth seekers or mere believers? A person can believe they can fly off a cliff by just flapping their arms but truth is going to be revealed when they jump.

Ecc 9:5 says, "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all."

You might not believe people that don't believe in an afterlife but do you believe the Bible? For it says, 'the dead know nothing at all'.

The truth is not bound to a book. Unless the book contains the truth. So you would have to find the truth and then see if the truth is in this book or this book or this book.

If truth is not found in the Bible then where is truth found? The Bible says that for a man to live he must take in every utterance from God's mouth. (Deuteronomy 8:3). If the whole Bible isn't from God's mouth were else do these 'utterances' come from?

A dead body know nothing at all. That I can accept.

Then if one does accept Ecc 9:5 as true and then alive while dead isn't possible. . What is opposite of life? Death right? Not more life. There is knowing something and there is not knowing something. Before we are born we know nothing. After we die we know know nothing. Life and death are just as much opposites as black and white and in no way can they mean the same thing. By that logic we are all dead right now and the White House is also the Black House. That makes zero sense.

However, when a person dies is that the end of them forever? Are we without hope? If we are still trusting the Bible for truth, the answer to those questions is no.

“Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out.� - John 5:28, 29

Interesting word 'memorial tombs' in that scripture. In fact many translations don't use the term 'memorial tombs'. So why is that some Bibles do? The Greek word used is mnémeion. Thayer's Greek Lexicon gives that word this definition. "any visible object for preserving or recalling the memory of any person or thing; a memorial, monument". Isn't this a clue as how a person is able to live again? We are remembered or recalled from memory, but by whom?