Diversified Oneness

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:04 pm

dio9 wrote: What does it mean when John writes Jesus is the word,

It means that whenever you see the word "God", or something equivalent, that's Christ. Of course, the word "God" isn't God. It's the word that represents God. On some level words are symbols. Symbols are substituted for what they signify. Symbols are signs, and Christ is a sign pointing to or signifying God. John is literally presenting a theological version of Abbott and Costellos's "Who's on First" skit.

He got the idea from the biblical account where Moses asks the burning bush what he's supposed to say if anyone asks who is saying, 'Let my people go". When Pharaoh asks Moses who is telling him to let the Israelites go out into the desert to worship, Moses replies, "I AM". Of course this was immediately met with scorn and incredulity which was God's plan all along.

you could say Jesus was in the mind of God as an idea a logos from the beginning.

You could say it, but it wouldn't be as accurate as saying that just as the invisible thought is manifested in the spoken word, so too the invisible God is manifested in the eternal living word

101G · Post by **101G** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:16 pm

[Replying to post 41 by shnarkle]

the SHARE of God is equal "with" God per John 1:1. that which is wisdom is now manifested.

other words, that which was ABSTRACT, is now CONCRETE. manifested in flesh and bone.

yes the "WISDOM" of God is God, and Jesus is the wisdom of God now made concrete. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".

yes that which was spoken, "WISDOM" Proverb 8:22-36. yes God speak "WISDOM", and God said let there be ......... and it was. just read the creation account, "God said".

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:42 pm

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:52 pm

101G wrote: [Replying to post 41 by shnarkle]

the SHARE of God is equal "with" God per John 1:1. that which is wisdom is now manifested.

other words, that which was ABSTRACT, is now CONCRETE. manifested in flesh and bone.

yes the "WISDOM" of God is God, and Jesus is the wisdom of God now made concrete. supportive scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God".

yes that which was spoken, "WISDOM" Proverb 8:22-36. yes God speak "WISDOM", and God said let there be ......... and it was. just read the creation account, "God said".

Sorry, but you're going to have to do better than referring to God as "ABSTRACT" or "CONCRETE". God isn't an abstract idea nor is God concrete. Ideas are ideas, and concrete is a diverse mixture of cement, sand, aggregate and water combined into one. This does appear to be the closest thing you've got to your theory of diversifed oneness, and yet a big block of concrete isn't much of a god. However, with a little imagination I do believe you might be able to constuct quite an impressive idol which you could then chisel up into diversified chunks. This seems to be the best case scenario you've come up with so far for this doctrine.

101G · Post by **101G** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:07 am

My second question of the Day, concering our Lord's deity.

Everyone is filimiler with the apostle Paul, then Saul, conversion on the road to Damascus. but a burning question linger as to who "chose" Paul then Saul to be his minister/apostle to the gentiles.

some say God the Father chose Paul, others say the Lord Jesus chose him, maybe others the Holy Ghost.

but this question can be settle in a second, but I would like to hear your position first.

if this question is answered correctly then it will eliminate any third, or second person in the Godhead completely.

I'll be looking for your answers. thanks in advance.

marco · Post by **marco** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:49 am

101G wrote: My second question of the Day, concering our Lord's deity.

Everyone is filimiler with the apostle Paul, then Saul, conversion on the road to Damascus. but a burning question linger as to who "chose" Paul then Saul to be his minister/apostle to the gentiles.

Who chose Billy Graham? People preach because they feel they have been inspired so to do. Paul interpreted his Damascus encounter as something of a miracle rather than a delusion or a fit. Is it sensible to enquire whether the Holy Spirit was involved, or Jesus or the Father himself? My own view that none of these was.

101G · Post by **101G** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:25 am

marco wrote:
101G wrote: My second question of the Day, concering our Lord's deity.

Everyone is filimiler with the apostle Paul, then Saul, conversion on the road to Damascus. but a burning question linger as to who "chose" Paul then Saul to be his minister/apostle to the gentiles.

Who chose Billy Graham? People preach because they feel they have been inspired so to do. Paul interpreted his Damascus encounter as something of a miracle rather than a delusion or a fit. Is it sensible to enquire whether the Holy Spirit was involved, or Jesus or the Father himself? My own view that none of these was.

thanks for the response, but I believe you missed my point. the choosing of Paul will clear up a Godhead issue. that's why I asked the question.

and i see you said, "NONE" of these, but the bible say different. Paul was chosen by someone.

I'll let you in on who choose Paul, then Saul. read Acts 22:14 and tell me who was it that chose Paul?

shnarkle · Post by **shnarkle** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:28 pm

101G wrote:

I'll let you in on who choose Paul, then Saul. read Acts 22:14 and tell me who was it that chose Paul?

Here's the context so we can all see who is doing what. First we read that Jesus is speaking to Saul.

I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?’ 8“And I answered, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said to me, ‘I am Jesus the Nazarene,

Next we read of Ananias speaking to Saul.

12“A certain Ananias, a man who was devout by the standard of the Law, and well spoken of by all the Jews who lived there, 13came to me, and standing near said to me, ‘Brother Saul, receive your sight!’

This is Paul talking about what Ananias said to him about God.

And at that very time I looked up at him. 14“And he said, ‘The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will

Here Ananias is referring to "the God of our Fathers", and that Paul has been appointed to know God's will. Jesus was quite clear in pointing out that he did nothing of his own will, but only what was appointed to him to know from the father.

and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

The Righteous One is Christ, and it is from his mouth that he heard "Why are you persecuting me?"

15‘For you will be a witness for Him to all men of what you have seen and heard

And this is precisely what we read in Paul's letters. He was a witness for Christ.

101G · Post by **101G** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:52 pm

marco · Post by **marco** » Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:04 pm

101G wrote:

I'll let you in on who choose Paul, then Saul. read Acts 22:14 and tell me who was it that chose Paul?

Thank you for your indulgence. Paul chose Paul; Paul interpreted his alleged encounter just as some chosen individuals through the ages have appointed themselves to found Christian religions, again through some mystical meeting.

Let me ask: if someone today in Jordan, say or in Chad or China announced that they had heard a voice from the sky and had been temporarily struck blind by God, would that be universally accepted as fact? Why, I wonder, does the incredible become plausible when separated from us by a couple of millennia?