No one knows the Father except the Son

[Wootah]

Just for reference:

http://biblehub.com/matthew/11-27.htm

http://biblehub.com/luke/10-22.htm

Matthew 11:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

How can just a man put himself in such a position between you and God?

[Elijah John]

Matthew 11:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

How can just a man put himself in such a position between you and God?

"Between"? By being a mediator.

Even if the Bible is taken at face value, the verse you cite here does not prove Jesus is God, according to the Bible. Consider:

1 Timothy 2.5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Notice that one can be, according to this verse, a man and still a mediator between God and men.

One does not need to be "God" to mediate between God and men.

Notice the verse also did not say, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the God Christ Jesus".

If Paul thought Jesus was "God" why do you think he put it the way he did, and didn't take the opportunity to call Jesus "God" here?

Nor did Paul say that Jesus was "completely God and completely human".

[marco]

If you can't understand revelation why would we listen to your conclusions? Seriously, given your above quote, why not pause on what you think you know?

I am not sure what advice I am being given; perhaps I should enrol in some course of study? I did not say I cannot understand Revelation, while others read it with no difficulty. Perhaps I expressed myself with undue clumsiness: I am saying that Revelation is open to many interpretations because of its artificial obscurity. One may extract apparent sense but one may not claim that one is extracting a true interpretation, if there is one.

I did not presume to enter the lists of those with an interpretation to offer. I see no point; and I cannot see that some private interpretation proves any point.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 28 by Elijah John]

No one knows the Father except the Son.

Would you trust any man that said, "No one knows God except me."?

[polonius]

Wootah posted:

Matthew 11:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

This passage evidences that there is no "Trinity" since the Holy Spirit is not mentioned and obviously not equal to the Father and the Son.

[marco]

Wootah posted:

Matthew 11:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

This passage evidences that there is no "Trinity" since the Holy Spirit is not mentioned and obviously not equal to the Father and the Son.

That's a very good point, Polonius. I was going to comment that because the Spirit isn't mentioned does not mean he's not there but Christ's words are pretty exclusive. It cannot even be argued he is speaking about human "nobodies" since he purposefully uses both directions: Father to Son and Son to Father which quite certainly excludes any other entity.

It would lead one to believe the Spirit is an aspect of God and not an independent person as defined in the Trinity. I wonder how this is resolved.

[ttruscott]

[Replying to post 28 by Elijah John]

No one knows the Father except the Son.

Would you trust any man that said, "No one knows God except me."?

He'd have to be pretty special, right?

[ttruscott]

Wootah posted:

Matthew 11:27 New International Version (NIV)
27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

This passage evidences that there is no "Trinity" since the Holy Spirit is not mentioned and obviously not equal to the Father and the Son.

Sophistry - the lack of mention of a third person is NOT proof there is no third person.

[marco]

Sophistry - the lack of mention of a third person is NOT proof there is no third person.

That was my immediate reaction until I examined what was written.


"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

The format is absolutely exclusive. NOBODY except the Father; NOBODY except the Son. There is no possible room for a third entity in this format of words. I agree that mentioning two people does not exclude the possibility of a third - but that does not apply here.

[ttruscott]

Sophistry - the lack of mention of a third person is NOT proof there is no third person.

That was my immediate reaction until I examined what was written.


"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

The format is absolutely exclusive. NOBODY except the Father; NOBODY except the Son. There is no possible room for a third entity in this format of words. I agree that mentioning two people does not exclude the possibility of a third - but that does not apply here.

I don't think you can discount the context that He was speaking about people in the world.

[Wootah]

Take 1 - focus on 1/2 the quote. The best we could do was compare Jesus to a sufi.

Take 2 - focus on the Trinity.

Will anyone address the topic now?

If Jesus is just a man and you support his words how do you justify this man putting themselves between man and God?