Jesus preaching hate?

[Elijah John]

26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

For debate.

Is this verse evidence that we all must "pick and choose" some passages over others in order to remain Christians?

Or is the passage evidence that Jesus used poetic language of hyperbole?

Can one "hate" and still honor one's parents? If not, then isn't Jesus preaching against an important Commandment? And if so, how could he still be considered "perfect"?

[Wootah]

[Replying to Elijah John]

Romans 10:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You could just ask them. If they are Christian what is there to hate?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 16 by Elijah John]

Unless, of course there was a deeper meaning to "hating" one's parents.

There is.

Refer to post 6, Vine's definition (c).

[Checkpoint]

[Checkpoint]

[Elijah John]

[Replying to Elijah John]

Romans 10:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

You could just ask them. If they are Christian what is there to hate?

First, Jesus never taught that second part as a condition for salvation. That was Paul's baby, original with him, a condition Paul added in order to be saved. And easy for him to say, as supposedly he encounterd the risen Christ in a vision, most of the rest of us have not been so fortunate.

"Let the redeemed of YHVH say so", and that would include faithful Jews and God-fearers, as well as Christians, anyone who looks to YHVH for salvation, and calls on his name. "For everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved."

Be that as it may.. So are you saying that the commandment to honor one's parent by obedience and respect only applies if the parent in question is a "born again", Pauline Evangelical Fundamentalist Christian? Someone you consider to be "saved"?

And if they are not, the offspring is at liberty to disrespect and disobey their parents in general, and in general treat them with contempt and hatred?

An if one's parents are not "born again Christians" one is off the hook when it comes to respecting and obeying them, honoring them?

Is that what you are saying??

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 23 by Elijah John]

Oh right pick and choose the Bible. Always your posts stumble on this but never any change. How about allowing Christians to use the whole Bible as our defence?

I didn't say anything that you think i said.

I said it is dishonorable to allow your parents to go to hell.

Surely that is true?

[William]

[Replying to post 13 by Elijah John]

My signature is not the topic for debate. It is an encapsulation of my theological positions, nothing more.

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As for the rest of your post here, I do not intend to dignify it with a response. And no, not because you ask the "tough questions". But rather lately your questions have little to do with the topic, and more to do with the poster. You have been warned about this already.

That wasn't a warning but a comment.

It is obvious to this reader that your signature gives clear clues as to your personal position of belief, and thus the threads you start have a lot to do with challenging those who do not hold similar beliefs to your own in which you find necessary to challenge. That in itself is natural enough for egocentrically based humans to do.

If that is how you want to present yourself as a representative of YHWH, that of course is your purgative, and certainly many believe YHWH to be pretty much the same type of personality anyway, so I suppose it isn't really giving him a worse name than he already has.

I just thought YHWH was made of better stuff that that. Thanks for the heads up.

[Elijah John]

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It is obvious to this reader that your signature gives clear clues as to your personal position of belief, and thus the threads you start have a lot to do with challenging those who do not hold similar beliefs to your own in which you find necessary to challenge. That in itself is natural enough for egocentrically based humans to do.

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[Elijah John]

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