When was the Trinity concept invented?

polonius · Post by **polonius** » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:47 am

“Regarding the New Testament, trinitarian scholar William Rusch has admitted:
“The binitarian formulas are found in Rom. 8:11, 2 Cor. 4:14, Gal. 1:1, Eph. 1:20, 1 Tim 1:2, 1 Pet. 1:21, and 2 John 1:13...No doctrine of the Trinity in the Nicene sense is present in the New Testament...

“There is no doctrine of the Trinity in the strict sense in the Apostolic Fathers...(Rusch W.G. The Trinitarian Controversy. Fortress Press, Phil., 1980, pp. 2-3).

“So, a trinitarian scholar admits that the New Testament uses what he calls binitarian formulas and no doctrine of the trinity was found in early post-apostolic times from those known as "Apostolic Fathers." This would include people such as Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna."

http://www.cogwriter.com/binitarian.htm#scholars

jgh7 · Post by **jgh7** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:43 pm

What about this statement:

Philippians 2:5-7

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

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It doesn't mention the Holy Spirit, but Paul does seem to affirm Jesus as being equal with God in nature/form while in Heaven.

Edit: I see binitarian doctrines were counted as acknowledged in the OP. But how is it such a stretch then to allow the Holy Spirit to also be equal in nature to the Father and the Son? The one unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit. That should give you a hint as to the true essence of the Holy Spirit.

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:09 pm

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:46 pm

bjs · Post by **bjs** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:08 pm

2timothy316 wrote:
As I said before, it's just different lipstick on the same pig as it were. The cosmetic changes still doesn't cover the origin. So what if your trinity is only slightly different from all the others. All the other three gods grouped together were slightly different from each other too. They all thought there's was special, something different. It saddens me to see the old triad gods reborn over and over and over and people falling for it over and over, saying 'ah but this is something new and different'. No, it's not. The current day trinity is just a continuation. The person that decreed god is a trinity didn't even profess to be a christian until he was on his death bed. He served triad gods. This should alarm people. But it doesn't

Orthodox Christian don’t believe in three gods. As long as that is your approach, you will have nothing but a straw argument.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:14 pm

bjs wrote:
2timothy316 wrote:
As I said before, it's just different lipstick on the same pig as it were. The cosmetic changes still doesn't cover the origin. So what if your trinity is only slightly different from all the others. All the other three gods grouped together were slightly different from each other too. They all thought there's was special, something different. It saddens me to see the old triad gods reborn over and over and over and people falling for it over and over, saying 'ah but this is something new and different'. No, it's not. The current day trinity is just a continuation. The person that decreed god is a trinity didn't even profess to be a christian until he was on his death bed. He served triad gods. This should alarm people. But it doesn't
Orthodox Christian don’t believe in three gods. As long as that is your approach, you will have nothing but a straw argument.

You have 3 personalities identified with worship and that didn't originate with first century Christians. The idea was not even institutionalized by a Christian. Read my comments, I never said that you have 3 gods because I know that is your normal defense. I took this into account in my argument, you're missing the point of the number of 'personalities' in your worship and you think it's something new. It's not. 3 personalities together in worship is traced back to Babylon. It was pagan then it's pagan now. Your 'all 3 = one god' is just a footnote along with the questionable 'great mystery' is a sad attempt to escape it's pagan origins. Yet a wise person doesn't fall for such trickery.

RightReason · Post by **RightReason** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:24 pm

[Replying to 2timothy316]

Your 'all 3 = one god' is just a footnote along with the questionable 'great mystery' is a sad attempt to escape it's pagan origins. Yet a wise person doesn't fall for such trickery.

So tell us how you became so much wiser than the overwhelming majority of Christendom?

You believe you are wiser than Aquinas, Louis Pasteur, Gregor Mendel, Karol Wojtyła, C.S. Lewis, Blaise Pascal? Such fools these men were for believing in a Trinitarian God.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:29 pm

RightReason · Post by **RightReason** » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:29 pm

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:31 am

brianbbs67 · Post by **brianbbs67** » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:06 pm