God is a crook

[Tart]

This quote is taken from another forum.

I don't know why your God needs money, but it is surely faith that keeps the money dropping into the collection plate.

A lot of people tell us that religion is a scam to shovel out loads of money... But is that true?

Now i dont doubt that people in the past have manipulated religion for their own gain, but people in the past have used all methods necessary for their own gain... People have used government and politics for their own gain. They have used honesty from people, for their own gain. Shoot even "love" has been manipulated and taken for peoples own selfish gain...

Does that mean religion is a bad thing? Well do you think government, honesty and love are bad things as well? I dont...

So that aside, is God immoral for tithe?

Here is my take on giving money...


Before i was a Christian, i was bankrupt... I didnt have enough money for my life, neither did i have enough worldly things... No way would i give it away! My goal was to be rich, so i can live it up, upper class. Give me a million... No, make that a billion... That way i can actually be fulfilled in my life...

Well that didnt work, I turn up homeless, backpacking around the Colorado mountains...

While out there i started seeking God and read the Bible... It changed my entire protective of life, and it was a fulfillment of that void i had in my heart... God can fulfill these things..

See becuase scripture says, God takes us out of the world. That God has overcome the world and all its worldliness, that we are to deny ourselves take up our cross and follow Christ. Where we are crucified with all our passions and desires... That we will be dead to sin...

Now i want to give my money. I dont want to be rich anymore, becuase riches are found in other things... God will satisfy our hearts, its prophetic. He will reveal to us a path he mapped out already, that we will be satisfied...


Since then, within the last 5 years i have given thousands of dollars away.. Iv given time and money, and i do it in praise of God overcoming the world..

In fact, when we look to Jesus, and live in Jesus, not only has he overcome worldly desires like wealth... He has also overcome persecution, and pressing evil...

I think Christians are the hardest people to get along with, kind of an odd thing to say as a christian... But when anyone treats me bad, wrong me, or whatever, i look to Christ...

Everyone denied Christ when they put him to death for nothing. The beat him, mocked him, denied him, and crucified him... And he prayed for their forgiveness... I have coem to terms with this... If everyone denies me, let it be true for Gods path for me.... Take my money, and take my life... Let Gods will be with me, and let me deny myself for God....

Much better then all the money and fame in the world...

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 10 by 2timothy316]

do you know why He has not destroyed all those killing babies and stopped all the other horrible things this world is doing?

No one does. I find it hard to believe that even innocent babies were guilty when he drowned them no matter what the bible claims.

He is waiting for maximum number possible to repent.

He's playing a numbers game then. I've always thought it was very 'game-like' with life.

Perhaps He's even waiting on you to turn to Him.

Been there done.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 10 by 2timothy316]

do you know why He has not destroyed all those killing babies and stopped all the other horrible things this world is doing?

No one does. I find it hard to believe that even innocent babies were guilty when he drowned them no matter what the bible claims.

'No matter what the Bible claims'. That's the issue. You have an answer but you have rejected it. We have nothing more to gain from each other. There is no discussion to be had.

He is waiting for maximum number possible to repent.

He's playing a numbers game then. I've always thought it was very 'game-like' with life.

Is this supposed to be funny? It's not.

Perhaps He's even waiting on you to turn to Him.

Been there done.

Then like Him, I'll move on.

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 12 by 2timothy316]

'No matter what the Bible claims'. That's the issue.

Please explain

You have an answer but you have rejected it.

Which is what, exactly?

We have nothing more to gain from each other. There is no discussion to be had.

That's disheartening. There's a lot to learn from each other even if you disagree. I'm sorry you don't see that.

Is this supposed to be funny? It's not.

I'm simply agreeing with you: "He is waiting for maximum number possible to repent." That's a number's game as far as I see it. Can you explain how it's not?

Then like Him, I'll move on.

Enjoy!

[brianbbs67]

[Replying to post 5 by imhereforyou]

There is a difference between murder and killing. One is forbidden, the other is not.

Maybe, though the one being killed, usually, won't share the above definition. But I suppose s/he doesn't matter.

But when it comes to a being (aka God) that should be above such petty things (IMO anyway) I would think him to have a better grasp on the subject. But then again, God is jealous and quick to anger so maybe I'm expecting too much.

Its not an unshared definition.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/killing

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/murder

Sometimes we have to kill to defend ourselves. We do it without thinking. Have you ever killed a fly or mosquito?

However, if you bear hate in your heart , and plot and plan to kill a person who has not wronged you or someone you know(beyond simple injury or insult), just for power or gain, that is murder.

As to your statement of this existentance being game like, it is. It is a game with real consequences. If you make no choice good or bad, you still have made a choice.

[imhereforyou]

[Replying to post 5 by imhereforyou]

There is a difference between murder and killing. One is forbidden, the other is not.

Maybe, though the one being killed, usually, won't share the above definition. But I suppose s/he doesn't matter.

But when it comes to a being (aka God) that should be above such petty things (IMO anyway) I would think him to have a better grasp on the subject. But then again, God is jealous and quick to anger so maybe I'm expecting too much.

Its not an unshared definition.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/killing

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/murder

Sometimes we have to kill to defend ourselves. We do it without thinking. Have you ever killed a fly or mosquito?

However, if you bear hate in your heart , and plot and plan to kill a person who has not wronged you or someone you know(beyond simple injury or insult), just for power or gain, that is murder.

As to your statement of this existentance being game like, it is. It is a game with real consequences. If you make no choice good or bad, you still have made a choice.

Sometimes we have to kill to defend ourselves.

I would think most never had to do that.

We do it without thinking.

That's alarming

Have you ever killed a fly or mosquito?

Anyone that has driven a car has, but I'm not sure the term 'murder' can apply to anything like a mosquito or a fly - at least to most people. Though there are those that would take exception to this thinking I know.

However, if you bear hate in your heart , and plot and plan to kill a person who has not wronged you or someone you know(beyond simple injury or insult), just for power or gain, that is murder.

For clarification, does this mean if I think about, or want to, kill someone I've murdered them?

As to your statement of this existentance being game like, it is.

Existence isn't a game in itself (unless one takes a rather dark definition of life I suppose - which I don't), it's how God deals with us from (according to the bible) setting us (humanity) up to fail know what would happen (being all knowing), then pretending to be all upset when it did happen, for example.
But then again, the bible doesn't make a lot of sense in a lot of ways so maybe we shouldn't be surprised?

[Monta]