Show me how God's day of rest was changed by Him. I have studied Theology and read Tanakh, KJ, Strong's, Thomson, NKJ and many others. God says he does not change, why would his day? All of my study, shows that there are lots of beliefs, some right to me , others not. But, since Peter's church worshipped on the Sabbath, why are we not?
Constantine decreed Sunday. Roman church(325) approved and adopted "christmas" and other pagan traditions.
If we follow as Christ instructed, known of this would hold water. I am sure this has been covered before, but I am truly curious.
Why do we no longer keep the Sabbath?
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brianbbs67
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Nonsense. I suppose you'd have something to back it up?rstrats wrote: brianbbs67,
re: "Why not do it on the day God commanded?
Maybe because it seems that a majority of professing Christians have an almost pathological disdain if not actual hatred for the supreme being's Sabbaths.
Lord Christ has not commanded us to keep sabbath.
We celebrate His resurrection, on SunDay.
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Post #102
Monta,
re: "Nonsense. I suppose you'd have something to back it up?"
Hey, I said maybe that's the reason. It just seems to me that the anti-Sabbath folks are a little too eager to shoot down the supreme being's commandment. But in retrospect, perhaps the phrase "almost pathological disdain if not actual hatred for the supreme being's Sabbaths" was laying it on little strong.
re: "We celebrate His resurrection, on SunDay."
OK, just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone celebrating the resurrection on the first day of the week, or on any other day for that matter.
re: "Nonsense. I suppose you'd have something to back it up?"
Hey, I said maybe that's the reason. It just seems to me that the anti-Sabbath folks are a little too eager to shoot down the supreme being's commandment. But in retrospect, perhaps the phrase "almost pathological disdain if not actual hatred for the supreme being's Sabbaths" was laying it on little strong.
re: "We celebrate His resurrection, on SunDay."
OK, just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone celebrating the resurrection on the first day of the week, or on any other day for that matter.
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Post #103
Jesus was a Sabbath-keeper. At the time of His death, His closest followers clearly observed the Sabbath, waiting until it was past to prepare His body for burial (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:1-2; Luke 23:56; Luke 24:1). Fifty days from Christ’s resurrection, many gathered for the Day of Pentecost, one of God’s seven annual Sabbaths or feasts observed in addition to the weekly Sabbath (Leviticus 23), and it was on that day that the New Testament Church was founded by the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1-4).Monta wrote:Nonsense. I suppose you'd have something to back it up?rstrats wrote: brianbbs67,
re: "Why not do it on the day God commanded?
Maybe because it seems that a majority of professing Christians have an almost pathological disdain if not actual hatred for the supreme being's Sabbaths.
Lord Christ has not commanded us to keep sabbath.
We celebrate His resurrection, on SunDay.
Also, Mat.19:17, "...But if you want to enter life, Keep the commandments."
Mat. 5:18 Heaven and earth shall pass away before one jot or tittle
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from. the law, till all be fulfilled.
Post #104
[Replying to post 103 by brianbbs67]
Also, Mat.19:17, "...But if you want to enter life, Keep the commandments."
Jesus did not include the sabbath which was for the Jews.
He came to fulfill the Law and sabbath was used for important occasions such and the Lord's Last Supper. These rituals the Lord performed that the Law might be fulfilled.
The Lord did not forbid it either and if Christian Jews feel comfortable with sabbath I am sure the Lord will accept it.
With Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, new order had been established in heaven and on earth.
Christians certainly follow 10 commandments but it is religion of love and not ritualistic as old Judaic religion was.
The Lord summarised it in Love God and love the neighbor.
Also, Mat.19:17, "...But if you want to enter life, Keep the commandments."
Jesus did not include the sabbath which was for the Jews.
He came to fulfill the Law and sabbath was used for important occasions such and the Lord's Last Supper. These rituals the Lord performed that the Law might be fulfilled.
The Lord did not forbid it either and if Christian Jews feel comfortable with sabbath I am sure the Lord will accept it.
With Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, new order had been established in heaven and on earth.
Christians certainly follow 10 commandments but it is religion of love and not ritualistic as old Judaic religion was.
The Lord summarised it in Love God and love the neighbor.
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Post #105
Monta,
re: "Jesus did not include the sabbath which was for the Jews."
The Messiah said that the Sabbath was made for man. He didn't single out the Jews.
re: "The Lord summarised it in Love God and love the neighbor."
So you're implying that summarizing something does away with the specifics of that something?
re: "Jesus did not include the sabbath which was for the Jews."
The Messiah said that the Sabbath was made for man. He didn't single out the Jews.
re: "The Lord summarised it in Love God and love the neighbor."
So you're implying that summarizing something does away with the specifics of that something?
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Post #106
The law includes, naturally the commandments of which there were 613. Of which, "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" was one of the 10 christianity has chosen. Why do we ignore this one? As to only keep nine?Monta wrote: [Replying to post 103 by brianbbs67]
Also, Mat.19:17, "...But if you want to enter life, Keep the commandments."
Jesus did not include the sabbath which was for the Jews.
He came to fulfill the Law and sabbath was used for important occasions such and the Lord's Last Supper. These rituals the Lord performed that the Law might be fulfilled.
The Lord did not forbid it either and if Christian Jews feel comfortable with sabbath I am sure the Lord will accept it.
With Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection, new order had been established in heaven and on earth.
Christians certainly follow 10 commandments but it is religion of love and not ritualistic as old Judaic religion was.
The Lord summarised it in Love God and love the neighbor.
I have seen christians try to redefine fulfill very often.
Fulfill means to do as you promised. So as David's dream saw him killed and his clothes gambled upon, Christ fulfills that. You can't fulfill something different than as promised. When you buy your house on credit(a promise), you fulfill it by paying it off. If you know of a different way to fulfill your mortgage , please let me know.
As to ritualistice Judiasm, that is what Christ confronted. They had taken the original commandments and added to them things which were illogical(like pick fruit to eat on the Sabbath(was work) if you are hungary or ignore emergencies because its the Sabbath)
I have an Orthodox friend who will not drive on the Sabbath because a flame is struck to propel the car. Christ seemed to encourage a return to the original and not legislating yourself into a box, spiritually. Common sense.
Post #107
[Replying to post 106 by brianbbs67]
"The law includes, naturally the commandments of which there were 613. Of which, "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" was one of the 10 christianity has chosen. Why do we ignore this one? As to only keep nine?"
Christians have hundreds of commandments given by the Lord Christ.
Actually they are not 'commanded' but teachings to be applied to life. By doing them you become a Christian. They are not to be followed blindly and expect something in return from God.
The first commandment is about rescue from Egypt. Myth or reality that is part of Jewish heritage and totally foreign to everybody else. Jesus never mentioned that but other commandments like not to steal not to kill etc. are very much taught by Jesus in his own way.
Jewish sabbath is the Lord's day for Christians.
"The law includes, naturally the commandments of which there were 613. Of which, "remember the Sabbath and keep it holy" was one of the 10 christianity has chosen. Why do we ignore this one? As to only keep nine?"
Christians have hundreds of commandments given by the Lord Christ.
Actually they are not 'commanded' but teachings to be applied to life. By doing them you become a Christian. They are not to be followed blindly and expect something in return from God.
The first commandment is about rescue from Egypt. Myth or reality that is part of Jewish heritage and totally foreign to everybody else. Jesus never mentioned that but other commandments like not to steal not to kill etc. are very much taught by Jesus in his own way.
Jewish sabbath is the Lord's day for Christians.
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Post #108
Monta,
re: "The first commandment is about rescue from Egypt."
Actually, it's about having no gods other than the creator.
re: "Jewish sabbath is the Lord's day for Christians."
So now you're suddenly reversing your position?
BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #105.
re: "The first commandment is about rescue from Egypt."
Actually, it's about having no gods other than the creator.
re: "Jewish sabbath is the Lord's day for Christians."
So now you're suddenly reversing your position?
BTW, you have a question directed to you in post #105.
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Post #109
Read Hebrews chapter 4 and you will see that the Sabbath is every day for a believer. The OT rituals were shadows of the reality that was to come in Christ. That's why the Apostles did not require Gentiles to convert to Judaism in order to receive Christ. And when you have read Hebrews chapter 4, read Galatians chapter 3 and Colossians chapter 2.
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Post #110
advisor1950 wrote: Read Hebrews chapter 4 and you will see that the Sabbath is every day for a believer. The OT rituals were shadows of the reality that was to come in Christ. That's why the Apostles did not require Gentiles to convert to Judaism in order to receive Christ. And when you have read Hebrews chapter 4, read Galatians chapter 3 and Colossians chapter 2.
Yes, every day is a sabbath. Where we rest from our own work (and will) and do the work (and will) of the Father.
Peace to you, and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
