Biblical and Other Interpretations of "LOVE"

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Love (to you) is better understood as:

a. an "Action"
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Biblical and Other Interpretations of "LOVE"

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In my travels to various forums, I've encountered different views of what "love" is.

Please share what you think/believe LOVE is as it pertains to life and/or the Bible itself.

1Cor13, includes the following http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... version=51:
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
These characteristics are the ones which I search for in those who claim to be OF God. And no matter what some people say, I "measure" (not judge or condemn) them biblically, morally and spiritually by the concept of love as related in 1Corinthians Ch.13. I have sought to live by that "concept" of love, and have seen good and amazing things (enough of them to understand, that religion based upon the same concept is likely "good" also ).

I have practically no doubt that this is HOW "Jesus" lived and dealt with other human beings. Still, I am often left wondering why MORE of Jesus' so-called followers aren't willing to show "love" in this fashion.

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Love is a difficult concept to define. Some choose to say what it isn't as opposed to what it is. I can't ascribe to this because it doesn't define what it is.

From a scientific standpoint, it is nothing more than neurotransmitters, biochemicals, and hormonal fluctuations that intiate the first desire (lust) to meet the person, then a shift in hormones leads to the desire to settle down (love) with the person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interperso ... ochemistry
Neurochemistry
Main article: Love (scientific views)
Recent magnetic resonance imaging studies have begun to shed light on the neurochemical basis of human bonding.[27]Main bonding chemicals[28][29]

Oxytocin [C43H66N12O12S2] – bonding molecule (hormone): high levels correlate with strong pair-bonding.
sometimes called the ‘cuddle chemical’.
levels rise during kissing and foreplay, and peak during orgasm.
Vasopressin – monogamy molecule (hormone)
responsible for creating intense loving memories during passionate situations.
responsible for clarity of thought and alertness during passionate situations.
Endorphin - calming natural pain killer
levels increase in response to touch, pleasing visual stimulus (as a smile), or after having positive thoughts.
thought to be the main attachment chemical in longterm relationships.[7]
Related bonding chemicals[28][29]

PEA [C8H11N] – amphetamine molecule (neurotransmitter)
speeds up the flow of information between nerve cells.[7]
keeps one alert, confident, and ready to try something new.[7]
Dopamine [C8H11NO2] – desire molecule (neurotransmitter): levels increase as passion levels increase.
elavated levels are associated with romantic love.[30]
Serotonin [C10H12N2O] – stability molecule (neurotransmitter)
DHEA [C19H28O2] – most abundant hormone
increases sex drive and influences who one finds attractive.
levels increase to three to five times that of baseline before and during orgasm.
Prolactin – motherly hormone (stops female and male sex-drive)
Testosterone [C19H28O2] – masculinization hormone (high testosterone-laden males tend to bond with high estrogen-laden females)
levels drop in men who are involved in long-term monogamous relationships.
functions as the main sex drive hormone for both men and women.[30]
Estrogen – feminization hormone (high estrogen-laden females tend to bond with high testosterone-laden males)
Androsterone [C19H30O2] – a pheromone attractor
Squalene [C30H50] – a pheromone repellant (stops male courtship behavior in snakes)
Progesterone [C21H30O2] – reverse sex-drive hormone
Norepinephrine [C8H11NO3] - elevated levels are associated with romantic love.[30]
This is all backed up with PET scans, MRI scans and CT scan as well as lab values.

As far as love in a reality setting, as an emotional bond, it is hard to say it even exits. While there do exist some records dating back to the egyptian period of "love" poems, it is impossible to say if there concept of it is what modern culture says it is. Current popular culture show this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Love
Although there exist numerous cross-cultural unified similarities as to the nature and definition of love, as in there being a thread of commitment, tenderness, and passion common to all human existence, there are differences. For example, in India, with arranged marriages commonplace, it is believed that love is not a necessary ingredient in the initial stages of marriage – it is something that can be created during the marriage; whereas in Western culture, by comparison, love is seen as a necessary prerequisite to marriage
Prior to the Victorian era, love wasn't a factor in relationships. Then it became a trend for a few decades until it once again was put aside and relationships were once again formed on the basis of what was most economically and politically feasible. Once again, love had no play in it. If a couple grew to love one another, it was considered a rare occurence.

Even in todays society, love is a tenuous concept that comes and goes. It seems to be one of the most misused words in the english language. To me, Love is eternal. It is a bond that defies science, religion, and time. It isn't something one can feel weakly or "fall" out of. For me, it is an all encompassing entity that words alone may not due justice to it. It is the very essence of the existance of the bond that has been created. I know, sappy and pathetic. I guess this is why I can say that aside from my children, I have never experienced love and likely never will. Maybe my standards are too high, but I will accept nothing less. Nor will I ever use that word in a relationship unless it can meet that criteria. The casual use of it to me represents the current society view. ex: "I love that shirt", "I love my best friend". It is a pathetic term of endearment not meant to meet my standards. But I myself am as guilty as using it in this form as well. I can say that I have used that term with any man I was in relationship with. I guard myself well, and am guilty of hurting many men because of it. In my defense, they were warned beforehand. But for some reason the male population seems to take that warning as a challenge and think " I will be the one to meet your standards". Sadly, they have all failed. This is ok. I am comfortable knowing I will grow old alone. But I would rather do that then compromise my ideals.

As far as scripture goes, what you have listed is pretty consistent. I would add the following:
Love in early religions was a mixture of ecstatic devotion and ritualised obligation to idealised natural forces (pagan polytheism). Later religions shifted emphasis towards single abstractly-oriented objects like God, law, church and state (formalised monotheism).

A third view, pantheism, recognises a state or truth distinct from (and often antagonistic to) the idea that there is a difference between the worshipping subject and the worshipped object. Love is reality, of which we, moving through time, imperfectly interpret ourselves as an isolated part.

The Bible speaks of love as a set of attitudes and actions that are far broader than the concept of love as an emotional attachment. Love is seen as a set of behaviours that humankind is encouraged to act out. One is encouraged not just to love one's partner, or even one's friends but also to love one's enemies.

The Bible describes this type of active love in 1 Corinthians 13:4-8:

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

Romantic love is also present in the Bible, particularly the Song of Songs (also known as Song of Solomon, Canticles.) Traditionally, this book has been interpreted allegorically as a picture of God's love for Israel and/or the Church. When taken naturally, we see a picture of ideal human marriage.

"Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealously unyielding as the grave. It burns like a blazing fire, like a mighty flame. [like the very flame of the LORD?] Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot wash it away. If one were to give all the wealth of his house for love, it would be utterly scorned." [8:6-7, NIV]
The passage dodi li v'ani lo ("my beloved is mine and I am my beloved," Song of Songs 2:16) is often engraved on wedding
But once again, this doesn't live up to my utopian concept of love either. Love is independent of religion. Yes, I know. I will never find my concept, but that is ok. I have my children as a result of marrying my best friend to have them, then divorcing him. He lives right up the street and is a great father and best friend. But he can't even come close to my standards.

Ok, so this was seriously long. Sorry.
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I guess we all have more to learn.

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Wow, I can't comment on all the science you shared, except to say that it doesn't seem to explain enough. As I've implied, science has its special applications, but I'm virtually certain that it doesn't have the answer for everything that's important to us (or at least love is more "nuanced" than we have answers for).
But once again, this doesn't live up to my utopian concept of love either.
If I could see most people generally follow The Golden Rule, that would be enough. I believe that love has a momentum in most people; once it's realized that real love (action-based, others-oriented, regard for benificially affecting them).
Love is independent of religion.

No, for some religion love is a REQUIREMENT; and if one isn't operating within the parameters of 1Cor13 as a "Christian", I think their credibility isn't as "universal" as it should be.
Yes, I know. I will never find my concept, but that is ok.

You seem to be a "thinker" (and so am I); but one effect of this life that I have great respect for, is that experiences can change the way we view and feel about many different things. For me, love (1Cor13) has been the MOST consistently "beneficial" way for me to be; to me nothing else compares to applying what I've highlighted in 1Cor13.
I have my children as a result of marrying my best friend to have them, then divorcing him. He lives right up the street and is a great father and best friend. But he can't even come close to my standards.
But I think those "children" will teach you some things that you don't imagine you will learn (in due time); and if "love" remains in your relationship with them that is something you'll be affected by. You see, I think we can examine "love" objectively, but we have no real measurement or method to "track" its nuanced effects. That is, the ubiquity of the "human-factors" have the effect of redefining the meanings of certain things in real-time.

So, I'm not going to go nutz trying to analyze any one thing too much. At some point/s I make a concerted effort to zoom out, and take a simple look at how certain things have affected my life. Love is impossibly complex as I zoom in on it, but as I pull back and look at what it has done for myself (and for others THROUGH me), I understand it is THE way for me to live (even if I fail miserably at times).
Ok, so this was seriously long. Sorry.
See what you get for zoomin IN upon an awesome concept like love? :D

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No, for some religion love is a REQUIREMENT; and if one isn't operating within the parameters of 1Cor13 as a "Christian", I think their credibility isn't as "universal" as it should be.

love might be a requirement for religion, but religion isn't a requirement of love. Otherwise married athiests couldn't possibly be in love.

I agree with what your saying and I do think to much. But society in general disgusts me when it comes to their abuse of the term love. Like I said, yes, my concept is utopian at best. I know I will never find anyone to meet the high standards I have set and I can accept this. But on the flip side, I would rather have these high standards and never find true love, than have lower standards and be in and out of love 30 times never knowing what it is that I am doing.
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From a scientific standpoint, it is nothing more than neurotransmitters, biochemicals, and hormonal fluctuations that intiate the first desire (lust) to meet the person, then a shift in hormones leads to the desire to settle down (love) with the person.
No, those are chemicals which trigger the emotion of love. The limbic system and all the wiring in that is what causes love and other emotions. the biochemicals and hormones are just the "on" switch for that part of the computer. Right?

Started a thread here about it
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scorpia wrote:
From a scientific standpoint, it is nothing more than neurotransmitters, biochemicals, and hormonal fluctuations that intiate the first desire (lust) to meet the person, then a shift in hormones leads to the desire to settle down (love) with the person.
No, those are chemicals which trigger the emotion of love. The limbic system and all the wiring in that is what causes love and other emotions. the biochemicals and hormones are just the "on" switch for that part of the computer. Right?

Started a thread here about it
No, it is more related to the endocrine system than the limbic system, but I will review your new thread to see.
What we do for ourselves dies with us,
What we do for others and the world remains
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Accept no one persons definition of your life; define yourself.

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