OH MY GOD TRUMP IS POTUS

WinePusher · Post by **WinePusher** » Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:19 am

Sorry, but I am floored. I am FLOORED. Ok, as of now Trump still needs 26 electoral votes and Clinton needs 55. But he's probably gonna win Pennsylvania and Michigan so yea, he's basically PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

No joke, I am scared. What is going to happen to this country? I don't support Trump and I don't oppose Trump. I actually like Trump to a certain extent. But I recognize that he's an arrogant, narcissistic, somewhat psychotic egomaniac.

Yea, I like this result cause I can now laugh in the face of the Hillary shills, but I am scared for this country. Will this election mark the end of America? Or, 4 years from now will this country be more prosperous then ever?

Divine Insight · Post by **Divine Insight** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:02 am

rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 29 by Divine Insight]

Obama made promises too did he not that he had no chance at succeeding at? He promised to close gitmo and couldn't. Yet he survived to two terms

This is true. And most presidents never keep their campaign promises. That alone is not a problem.

The problem with Trump is his mental problems. He incites racism, bigotries, and misogynist and other forms of negativity without even realizing it. At least Obama was sane and did great work toward human rights. Even though he wasn't able to break through the Republican gridlock in Washington.

Trump appears to have no respect for human rights at all. I was just commenting on why it was that he won those states that got him into the White House.

He wasn't elected based on his immigration polices, or his desire to ban Muslims, or his plan to have people of color stopped and frisked based on racial profiles. He was ultimately elected because he promises blue collar workers in PA, WI, MI, OH, and NC, etc. that he would reopen their old industries.

And those promises are empty. They simply aren't realistic.

I mean, if the world at large want to know how Americans could have possibly elected Donald Trump as president, the answer is in the lies he told to the blue collar workers in PA, WI, MI, OH, and NC. That's why he was voted in. Those blue collar workers fell for an unrealistic promise.

That's the answer to the "mystery" of how he got voted in. It's really no mystery at all. You can actually look into this and you'll see that it's true.

This is just one small town in Pennsylvania that fell for this. They think Trump will bring back their steel mill business.

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These are the types of towns that Trump focused on in PA, WI, MI, OH, and NC. And that's what made the difference on those states.

I'm just telling you why Trump won in case you're interested.

He promised these people that he would bring back their jobs. It's an extremely unrealistic promise. But they fell for it. And that's what made the difference in these crucial states.

Furrowed Brow · Post by **Furrowed Brow** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:24 am

Healthy societies do not vote for characters like Trump. But 40 years of stagnating wages, de-industrialisation, an economic collapse and an overtly corrupt political system and you get Trump.

The Trump win is part of a trend across the Western world which has seen the rise of the far right and left parties. The middle ground and the old consensus is in retreat before the decline in wages. This is a long term trend. In America we saw the rise of Trump and Sanders though middle America leans to the right more than it does to the left. (It remains to be seen where the energy that saw Sanders rise will go now).

The American political system (reinforced by the media) essentially gave America the choice of two dreadful candidates and they chose the one that represented "the system" least and who promised to change it most.

Here is Michael Moore telling it four months ago.(F-Bomb warning)
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I think the internet did a lot more damage to Clinton than it did to Trump. Is there anyone not aware of the FBI investigations, Wikileaks, and rumours of very dark doings? The information gap between what people could find on the internet and what the mainstream media was prepared to address just re-affirmed people's disgust at the system.

What comes next?

A lot of people who bought into Trump are going to be very disappointed.

Will Clinton go to jail with Trump as President? No. Will he do anything meaningful to roll back the corruption and influence of the corporations, banks and billionaires over the American political system. No. Will some mid level officials be thrown under the bus to protect people much higher. Of course. Things will carry on as they have always done.

It is going to become increasingly obvious Trump's feet are too small for the shoes of the job. There is no economic turnaround coming in the next four years. It is more likely we are going to see another recession, and possibly a second banking collapse. None of this will be Trump's fault. But he will fail to provide the kind of leadership that holds people together. This is not Trump. His instinct is personal aggrandisement. As the job finds him out he is going to lash back and look for scapegoats.

In four years time America will feel poorer and more anxious and good well paying jobs will be harder to find. A guaranteed outcome regardless of who is President, and it is problem for the West not just America. But with Trump America is going to feel utterly polarised.

Everything above is obviously predicated on Trump surviving the next four years.

FinalEnigma · Post by **FinalEnigma** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:18 pm

Many on the left are wondering how Trump could possibly have won, and are concluding that the people who voted for him did so because they liked the bigotry, racism, and bullying that Trump was and represented.

They are wrong. Yes, there are some Trump supported who liked the racism and bigotry, but most of the Trump supporters just liked the promises he made.

Trump is anti-establishment, and Hillary is basically the embodiment of establishment.
Trump went to the working class rural, white Americans and told them that he was actually listening to their concerns, and was going to help them. This is why they voted for him.

Now, in my opinion, they were wrong to believe him, but they didn't vote for Trump's bigotry, they voted for his willingness to actually talk to them and address their concerns.

Now. As a liberal, here are a few of my concerns. Obviously, I disagree with Trump on some policy issues. That's nothing unusual - I'd disagree on most of those policy issues with almost any republican candidate. Some of these issues I think are very important, but I won't even go into that here. Here is what I want to go into:

Whether or not Trump is bigoted or racist (which, he either is, or he is stupendously oblivious), he is perceived that way - especially by the bigots and racists. His victory has sent the message to America that it is okay to mock the disabled. That it is okay to hate Jews (and other foreigners). That it is okay to 'Grab women by the *****', or to repeatedly and deliberately walk into rooms full of undressed young girls, and brag about it on TV and radio shows. After all - you can do it and still be president!

I have a disability, and Trump's victory has told America that it's okay to mock me for it.
My wife and daughter are female, and Trump's Victory has told America that it's okay to sexually assault them.
All three of us are Jewish, and Trump's victory told America that it's okay to hate us.

I am legitimately concerned.

Republicans have been telling us for 8 years now that Obama is divisive, particularly racially.
If you think Obama was divisive, wait until you see what happens with Trump in the white house.

Clownboat · Post by **Clownboat** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:49 pm

Divine Insight wrote:
rikuoamero wrote: [Replying to post 29 by Divine Insight]

Obama made promises too did he not that he had no chance at succeeding at? He promised to close gitmo and couldn't. Yet he survived to two terms

DI wrote:The problem with Trump is his mental problems. He incites racism, bigotries, and misogynist and other forms of negativity without even realizing it.
Can you explain how Trump incited racism, bigotries, being a misogynist and other forms of negativity when it comes to you personally?
I can't tell how Trump did any of those things with me, so perhaps I missed it?

FinalEnigma · Post by **FinalEnigma** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:09 pm

Clownboat wrote: Can you explain how Trump incited racism, bigotries, being a misogynist and other forms of negativity when it comes to you personally?
I can't tell how Trump did any of those things with me, so perhaps I missed it?

Nice attempt to dodge the point.

While Trump's behavior will not necessarily incite these behaviors in people who do not think that way, or who do not consider those behaviors acceptable, it will embolden people who do, or who are unsure.

Young men, seeing trump brag about 'grabbing women by the *****', and seeing people everywhere (republicans) defending this as 'normal guy locker-room talk' could reasonably conclude that it is okay to talk like this, and maybe even okay to actually do it.

Trump behaving in these ways and then getting elected president tells our young people that it is okay to behave this way, and people defending this behavior of Trump's weakens the social stigma against this behavior, which would embolden people who think this way to behave more outrageously so.

bluethread · Post by **bluethread** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:28 pm

FinalEnigma wrote:
I have a disability, and Trump's victory has told America that it's okay to mock me for it.
My wife and daughter are female, and Trump's Victory has told America that it's okay to sexually assault them.
All three of us are Jewish, and Trump's victory told America that it's okay to hate us.

I am legitimately concerned.

Do you think that the Democrats have not been doing the same behind closed doors, as they pander in speeches and public policy? Yes, Trump shoots from the lip, but maybe it is high time we dealt with these issues directly and stopped looking at the federal government to bail us out. It isn't ok to mock people, and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. It is not ok to sexually assault anyone and Trump was roundly criticized for talking lightly about that. Yet, he was elected anyway. Though I am not aware of Trump talking about hating Jews, he has pointed out that ethnic minorities are not immune to having social misfits in their ranks and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. So, maybe the problem is not with Trump, but with our unwillingness to deal with this on the local level and instead run to the lawyers and federal government at the drop of a hat.

Republicans have been telling us for 8 years now that Obama is divisive, particularly racially.
If you think Obama was divisive, wait until you see what happens with Trump in the white house.

I think the Republicans were wrong. Obama unified the federal bureaucracy behind Pelosi and Reed to begin the unification of the country under the thumb of the federal government. That resulted in the landslide midterms that swept the Republicans into Congress. His continued attempt to "unify" the country in the same way by executive order and backroom deals with Clinton and others, have now lead to a rejection of the Democrats by the working class, who have born the brunt of the negative effects of their policies. This group that supported the Democrats in the past, because they were paid off, have jointed with rural America, now that they have been kicked to the street. I believe that Michael Moore is wrong in thinking that his socialist views would work, if we can get rid of the corruption. However, I think he is right that corruption is the root of the problem. Federal socialism will not work, if one gets rid of the corruption. Federal socialism fosters corruption. Lois Learner, John Koskinen, Eric Holder, James Comey, and Lois Lynch are perfect examples. I just hope that Trump will drain the swamp, as he has promised and return power back to the people and the States. Then maybe we will get back to dealing with these things at the local level, where they should be handled.

FinalEnigma · Post by **FinalEnigma** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:50 pm

bluethread wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
I have a disability, and Trump's victory has told America that it's okay to mock me for it.
My wife and daughter are female, and Trump's Victory has told America that it's okay to sexually assault them.
All three of us are Jewish, and Trump's victory told America that it's okay to hate us.

I am legitimately concerned.
Do you think that the Democrats have not been doing the same behind closed doors, as they pander in speeches and public policy? Yes, Trump shoots from the lip, but maybe it is high time we dealt with these issues directly and stopped looking at federal government bail us out. It isn't ok to mock people, and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. It is not ok to sexually assault anyone and Trump was roundly criticized for talking lightly about that. Yet, he was elected anyway. Though I am not aware of Trump talking about hating Jews. However, he has pointed out that ethnic minorities are not immune to having social misfits in their ranks and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. So, maybe the problem is not with Trump, but with our unwillingness to deal with this on the local level and instead run to the lawyers and federal government at the drop of a hat.

The point is that Trump said these things, and while yes, half of America criticized him for it, the other half defended him.

This put us in a situation where large numbers of people were defending bigotry and and defending a man bragging about sexual assault. There were droves of people saying 'oh, his comments about women were just normal, guy locker room talk. every guy does it'.
No. Every guy does not talk like that, and pretending that it's normal and okay to do so will encourage people to think that it is okay to talk like, and maybe even okay to behave like that.

Like I said, the point isn't that Trump's a bigot. Whether he is or isn't is irrelevant to my point. The point is that Trump winning the election will make a lot of people think it's okay to be a bigot.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:59 pm

FinalEnigma wrote:
Clownboat wrote: Can you explain how Trump incited racism, bigotries, being a misogynist and other forms of negativity when it comes to you personally?
I can't tell how Trump did any of those things with me, so perhaps I missed it?
Nice attempt to dodge the point.

While Trump's behavior will not necessarily incite these behaviors in people who do not think that way, or who do not consider those behaviors acceptable, it will embolden people who do, or who are unsure.

What is your evidence for this? That would imply Trump would tolerate legal racism or discrimination. No evidence for that.

FinalEnigma wrote: Young men, seeing trump brag about 'grabbing women by the *****', and seeing people everywhere (republicans) defending this as 'normal guy locker-room talk' could reasonably conclude that it is okay to talk like this, and maybe even okay to actually do it.

I may have missed it, but I have heard NO ONE defending Trump on this. That "locker room banter" talk was Trump's own self-defense, if I recall correctly.

FinalEnigma wrote: Trump behaving in these ways and then getting elected president tells our young people that it is okay to behave this way, and people defending this behavior of Trump's weakens the social stigma against this behavior, which would embolden people who think this way to behave more outrageously so.

Are you referring to the young people who are busy blocking traffic in major cities, and screaming their own obscenities or otherwise engaging in campus hysteria? I think they are too pre-occupied organizing or attending flash-mobs to be influenced by the President elect, either way.

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:07 pm

FinalEnigma wrote:
bluethread wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:
I have a disability, and Trump's victory has told America that it's okay to mock me for it.
My wife and daughter are female, and Trump's Victory has told America that it's okay to sexually assault them.
All three of us are Jewish, and Trump's victory told America that it's okay to hate us.

I am legitimately concerned.
Do you think that the Democrats have not been doing the same behind closed doors, as they pander in speeches and public policy? Yes, Trump shoots from the lip, but maybe it is high time we dealt with these issues directly and stopped looking at federal government bail us out. It isn't ok to mock people, and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. It is not ok to sexually assault anyone and Trump was roundly criticized for talking lightly about that. Yet, he was elected anyway. Though I am not aware of Trump talking about hating Jews. However, he has pointed out that ethnic minorities are not immune to having social misfits in their ranks and Trump was roundly criticized for that. Yet, he was elected anyway. So, maybe the problem is not with Trump, but with our unwillingness to deal with this on the local level and instead run to the lawyers and federal government at the drop of a hat.
The point is that Trump said these things, and while yes, half of America criticized him for it, the other half defended him.

This put us in a situation where large numbers of people were defending bigotry and and defending a man bragging about sexual assault. There were droves of people saying 'oh, his comments about women were just normal, guy locker room talk. every guy does it'.
No. Every guy does not talk like that, and pretending that it's normal and okay to do so will encourage people to think that it is okay to talk like, and maybe even okay to behave like that.

Like I said, the point isn't that Trump's a bigot. Whether he is or isn't is irrelevant to my point. The point is that Trump winning the election will make a lot of people think it's okay to be a bigot.

The people who were defending Trump in light of those horrible comments, were defending him as a candidate IN SPITE OF, not because of those offensive comments.

bluethread · Post by **bluethread** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:07 pm

FinalEnigma wrote:

Like I said, the point isn't that Trump's a bigot. Whether he is or isn't is irrelevant to my point. The point is that Trump winning the election will make a lot of people think it's okay to be a bigot.

Unless we personally confront those people and stop expecting other people to carry our water. Had Hillary won, a lot of people would think it is acceptable to not just say those things, but do them, as long as one is in favor of legislation that takes money from the "wrong" people and gives it to bureaucrats to pay off aggrieved special interests, or legislation that forces everyone to walk on egg shells.