Some compelling reasons to vote for Donald Trump

[Elijah John]

-Hillary Clinton wants to increase the importation of Syrian refugees five fold, putting American lives at risk for infiltration by ISIS.

Trump wants to help them too...but over there.

-Projected skyrocketing Obamacare premiums and deductables.

-Hillary under a cloud of corruption, being investigate by the FBI

-Hillary has lied the the Bengazi families.

-HRC careless with her emails, putting American national security at risk.

-Obama paying millions(billions?) to Iran, a terrorist government which attempts to humiliate the US, harrassing our Navy etc. No reason to believe HRC would deviate from Obama's policies.

-HRC supporting sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, Trump would end that support.

-Donald Trump is NOT "same old, same old" Hillary Clinton. Reason enough right there.

Donald Trump will put America first, HRC seems to prefer winning the world's approval as opposed to doing what's best for her own country.

And many other reasons. But the enumerated ones, (especially the bolded ones), are reasons that we all perhaps can agree on?

If not, why not?

[Divine Insight]

And many other reasons. But the enumerated ones, (especially the bolded ones), are reasons that we all perhaps can agree on?

If not, why not?

I don't agree with your reasons.

-Hillary Clinton wants to increase the importation of Syrian refugees five fold, putting American lives at risk for infiltration by ISIS.

There is no evidence to suggest that importing Syrian refugees places America at risk. Can you cite any specific terror incidents that have been directly attributed to Syrian refugees?

This sounds more like a reaction based entirely on unfounded fear. Something Americans should not fall for IMHO.

Trump wants to help them too...but over there.

I haven't seen any detailed proposals of how that would work.

-Projected skyrocketing Obamacare premiums and deductables.

Both irrelevant and exaggerated. To being with it's only the naysayers who are projecting "skyrocketing" premiums and deductibles.

And besides, Hillary has already addressed this. She recognizes that Affordable Health Care is not a program that is carved in stone. She recognizes that it's going to need to be adjusted as issues come to light. And she has already acknowledge that she will be addressing those issues in an open and non-partisan way working TOGETHER with all Americans.

So the idea that just because Obamacare wasn't miraculously perfect right out of the gate is no reason to proclaim it to be a total "failure". That's a false claim in any case. It would be extremely rare for any legislation to be prefect right out of the gate the first time.

And besides, you seem to be assuming that Trump will just wave a magic wand and fix the problem. But what's his solution? To just go back to the ORIGINAL PROBLEM? I don't where that's a viable solution to be perfectly honest with you.

-Hillary under a cloud of corruption, being investigate by the FBI

Unwarranted fear mongering again. There are no serious allegations being made at all. To the contrary all that has happened is that the FBI has agreed to look at additional information being presented. There is no reason to even think that this additional information will lead to any actual charges.

-Hillary has lied the the Bengazi families.

I'm not aware of the details of these accusations so I'll have to pass on this one.

-HRC careless with her emails, putting American national security at risk.

Donald Trump is careless with his proposed foreign polices putting American national security at risk.

-Obama paying millions(billions?) to Iran, a terrorist government which attempts to humiliate the US, harrassing our Navy etc. No reason to believe HRC would deviate from Obama's policies.

Trump threatens to blow Iran's ships out of the water at the slightest sign of disrespect for America. Are you advocating that we go to war with Iran? That's what you'll most likely have with a Trump presidency. And don't forget that Putin back's Iran too so this will also put us at war with Russia too.

-HRC supporting sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, Trump would end that support.

I personally favor Hillary's more humanitarian approach to solving problems. Any tyrant can just brutally kick people around. It takes a wise leader to solve problems in a productive humane way. So I favor Hillary's wisdom on this issue.

-Donald Trump is NOT "same old, same old" Hillary Clinton. Reason enough right there.

I prefer "Steady as She Goes". Obama has the USA sailing on a very productive rising course. I would like to see Hillary ensure that legacy.

Having an individual who thinks he alone is smarter than our generals, smarter than our economists, and smarting than our scientists come in and just toss that all overboard in favoring of "rocking the boat" just for the sake of rocking the boat does not appeal to me.

Change just for the sake of change makes no sense. Trump would need to have a better plan, and thus far I haven't seen it.

Donald Trump will put America first, HRC seems to prefer winning the world's approval as opposed to doing what's best for her own country.

This is a major problem right there. Today we live in a global society. That's just the reality of today's human condition. It makes no sense for America to become the "Global Bully" proclaiming that we are going to put American FIRST at the expensive of all other nations.

Trump's want to renegotiate all foreign trade so that America WINS and all other countries LOSE. How many countries do you think are going to be interested in that "deal"?

It's just not realistic at all.

What would necessarily end up happening is that Trump would then need to cut off trade with all other countries, since he will not be able to "negotiate" deals where America WINS and the other countries LOSE.

So now he has walled-off America and isolated America from foreign trade. Now what? Now he's going to try to abolish the EPA and any Climate Change polices to "deregulate" fossil fuel industries in the hope that this will magically result in the re-opening of old obsolete coal mines, steel mills, and factories in the USA.

Let's assume that this much would actually work (an unlikely scenario in any case) but let's assume that he actually succeeds in giving enough incentive to entrepreneurs to re-open American coal mines, steel mills, rail roads, and factories.

And then he's going to be putting Americans back to work again at the HIGH WAGES that Americans have come to demand. Americans are certainly not going to be happy working for peanuts.

So then what do we end up with?

We end up with HIGH PRICED coal, steel, rail roads, and manufactured products.

Who's going to buy these HIGH PRICED products? Well, it will have to be Americans because Trump will have already cut off trade with all other countries, plus why would other countries want our HIGH PRICED coal, steel or products then they have their own LOW PRICED products and resources?

In short, Trump will not merely "rock the American boat" but he will end up capsizing it to the point where there's nothing left to do but sink in our global isolation and American arrogance of wanting to be FIRST.

I think Hillary understands that the only realistic way to move forward in today global society is to acknowledge that we are a global society and we need to work toward that end because that's the only realistic thing to do.

Trump's ideas simply can't work. What makes anyone think that the whole rest of the world is going to sit back and just say, "Yes of course we will renegotiate all trade deals so the USA WINS and we LOSE".

Why would anyone think that's going to work?

It's just not realistic to think that the USA can just focus on putting themselves first before the rest of the world and actually think that the rest of the world is just going to bow down and worship America for being "FIRST".

That's ridiculous, IMHO.

The way to make a nation FIRST in the world is to WIN the respect of the rest of the world by leading all of humanity to a better place.

You could never make a nation FIRST in the world by just arrogantly demanding that we are going to rule over the rest of the world as the grand bully. That's never going to work. To the contrary that will either result in the USA collapsing under the weight of its own arrogance, or it would provoke other countries to hate America so much that they are be totally determined to destroy the Global Bully.

Trump is the very LAST thing that humanity needs right now.

Hillary is the candidate that has the most to off humanity in general.

With Trump everyone will lose, both the USA and the rest of the world.

With Hillary at least the world has a chance to move forward to a more positive future.

Hillary is the champion of humanity.

With Hillary the USA may actually be respected as a nation worthy of looking up to.

With Trump the USA will become the global bully to be certain. Trump has already promised this to be his policy.

[WinePusher]

Hillary Clinton wants to increase the importation of Syrian refugees five fold, putting American lives at risk for infiltration by ISIS.

There is no evidence to suggest that importing Syrian refugees places America at risk. Can you cite any specific terror incidents that have been directly attributed to Syrian refugees?

This sounds more like a reaction based entirely on unfounded fear. Something Americans should not fall for IMHO.

There have been at least three major terrorist attacks in the United States caused by radical Muslim immigrants. Do I need to tell you what they are or do you follow current events at all? Also, practically every single national security and national intelligence agency has explicitly said that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population and that the screening and vetting apparatus is horribly inadequate.

So to the contrary, it is YOUR position that has absolutely no evidence. Additionally, it sounds like a reaction based entirely on naiveté. Somethat Americans should not fall for IMHO.

[quote="Elijah John"Skyrocketing Obamacare premiums and deductables.[/quote]

Both irrelevant and exaggerated.

Wrong, again.

To being with it's only the naysayers who are projecting "skyrocketing" premiums and deductibles.

Please reformulate this sentence in proper English.

And besides, you seem to be assuming that Trump will just wave a magic wand and fix the problem. But what's his solution? To just go back to the ORIGINAL PROBLEM? I don't where that's a viable solution to be perfectly honest with you.

The free market.

-Hillary under a cloud of corruption, being investigate by the FBI

Unwarranted fear mongering again. There are no serious allegations being made at all. To the contrary all that has happened is that the FBI has agreed to look at additional information being presented. There is no reason to even think that this additional information will lead to any actual charges.

Hilarious. I actually like Clinton and think she would be a decent President. But I'm not a blind, thoughtless Clinton supporter who swallows the propaganda shoved out by her campaign. Every aspect of her professional life is under investigation, she is corrupt, but so is every politician. She may be worse than all of them, but I'm fine with that. I'm considering voting for her despite the fact that she's corrupt. But here's the thing, I recognize she's corrupt and I won't make lame excuses for her.

-Hillary has lied the the Bengazi families.

I'm not aware of the details of these accusations so I'll have to pass on this one.

Good.

What would necessarily end up happening is that Trump would then need to cut off trade with all other countries, since he will not be able to "negotiate" deals where America WINS and the other countries LOSE.

So now he has walled-off America and isolated America from foreign trade. Now what? Now he's going to try to abolish the EPA and any Climate Change polices to "deregulate" fossil fuel industries in the hope that this will magically result in the re-opening of old obsolete coal mines, steel mills, and factories in the USA.

Let's assume that this much would actually work (an unlikely scenario in any case) but let's assume that he actually succeeds in giving enough incentive to entrepreneurs to re-open American coal mines, steel mills, rail roads, and factories.

And then he's going to be putting Americans back to work again at the HIGH WAGES that Americans have come to demand. Americans are certainly not going to be happy working for peanuts.

So then what do we end up with?

We end up with HIGH PRICED coal, steel, rail roads, and manufactured products.

Who's going to buy these HIGH PRICED products? Well, it will have to be Americans because Trump will have already cut off trade with all other countries, plus why would other countries want our HIGH PRICED coal, steel or products then they have their own LOW PRICED products and resources?

In short, Trump will not merely "rock the American boat" but he will end up capsizing it to the point where there's nothing left to do but sink in our global isolation and American arrogance of wanting to be FIRST.

Good to see you understand that free trade (supported by free market economists, hated by Bernie Sanders groupies and other progressives, is a good thing. Trump and Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore and other liberals who oppose free trade are wrong and ill informed. Good to see we agree.

Hillary is the champion of humanity.

Good one. It's one thing to someone to support Clinton, it's another thing for someone to just regurgitate the propaganda which they have been spoon fed from the Clinton campaign.

[Divine Insight]

Hillary Clinton wants to increase the importation of Syrian refugees five fold, putting American lives at risk for infiltration by ISIS.

There is no evidence to suggest that importing Syrian refugees places America at risk. Can you cite any specific terror incidents that have been directly attributed to Syrian refugees?

This sounds more like a reaction based entirely on unfounded fear. Something Americans should not fall for IMHO.

There have been at least three major terrorist attacks in the United States caused by radical Muslim immigrants. Do I need to tell you what they are or do you follow current events at all?

Yes, you will need to tell me precisely which events you are talking about. Also, remember just any radical Muslim immigrant will not do. We're talking about Syrian Refugees here. So you need to point to terror events that have been traced to Syrian Refugees.

Also, if you can do that, please also include a percentage of how many Syrian Refugees were involved. Because you can hardly shut down a whole system just because there are extremely low percentages of harmful events.

You'd need to show that the percentage is significant. Three out of hundreds of thousands would not be a significant percentage anyway. Alcoholism claims far more lives than that. Yet no one has been suggesting that we return to prohibition.

Also, practically every single national security and national intelligence agency has explicitly said that ISIS will infiltrate the refugee population and that the screening and vetting apparatus is horribly inadequate.

So to the contrary, it is YOUR position that has absolutely no evidence. Additionally, it sounds like a reaction based entirely on naiveté. Somethat Americans should not fall for IMHO.

You need to provide stats to the contrary. Thus far you have suggested that only 3 terror events have been traced to radical Muslim immigration. And you haven't even shown that these were Syrian Refugees.

And besides, you seem to be assuming that Trump will just wave a magic wand and fix the problem. But what's his solution? To just go back to the ORIGINAL PROBLEM? I don't where that's a viable solution to be perfectly honest with you.

The free market.

That's what we had before and it wasn't working. So if we return to that then we know we are returning to something that was already a failure.

-Hillary under a cloud of corruption, being investigate by the FBI

Unwarranted fear mongering again. There are no serious allegations being made at all. To the contrary all that has happened is that the FBI has agreed to look at additional information being presented. There is no reason to even think that this additional information will lead to any actual charges.

Hilarious. I actually like Clinton and think she would be a decent President. But I'm not a blind, thoughtless Clinton supporter who swallows the propaganda shoved out by her campaign. Every aspect of her professional life is under investigation, she is corrupt, but so is every politician. She may be worse than all of them, but I'm fine with that. I'm considering voting for her despite the fact that she's corrupt. But here's the thing, I recognize she's corrupt and I won't make lame excuses for her.

I totally agree with your point. She does the SAME THINGS that ALL politicians do. And Trump would do this as well. So there's nothing to be gained by replacing her with Trump. We live in a real world, and it would probably actually be impossible for a truly honest decent person to run the USA without playing the political game of "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours"

Unfortunately, that's how things get done. Welcome to reality.

But the thing of it is that if Hillary isn't doing anything different from everyone else in global politics, then she can hardly be said to be a "criminal". She's just working within a system that only works this way. That's just a fact of reality.

And Trump would play the same games. He would have no choice if he expects to get anything done. So this is hardly unique to Hillary. It's just the way things are in the real world.

What would necessarily end up happening is that Trump would then need to cut off trade with all other countries, since he will not be able to "negotiate" deals where America WINS and the other countries LOSE.

Good to see you understand that free trade (supported by free market economists, hated by Bernie Sanders groupies and other progressives, is a good thing. Trump and Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore and other liberals who oppose free trade are wrong and ill informed. Good to see we agree.

An isolated nation cannot stand alone. If we cut off trade with other countries we'll end up having to buy our own high-priced products. Please explain to me how that's going to work.

Hillary is the champion of humanity.

Good one. It's one thing to someone to support Clinton, it's another thing for someone to just regurgitate the propaganda which they have been spoon fed from the Clinton campaign.

Hillary is the champion of humanity.

Hillary supports the EPA and the Climate Change agreements to save planet Earth.

Trump believes that Climate Change is a hoax invented by China. And the first thing he wants to do is abolish that agreement. Then he wants to abolish the EPA by deregulating the fossil fuel industries so they can pollute our air, water, lakes and streams to their heart's content just in the hope that this will restart the coal mines, still mills, railroads and factories in the USA.

Hillary supports civil rights of individuals.

Trump gives daily exhibitions on how to insult and humiliate entire groups of people as the new "Standard of Civility" for how Americans should start treating each other.

If Trump becomes president won't that be a message to our children that it's now ok to fat shame girls and rate women on a scale of 1 to 10 based on the size of their breasts. And let's not forget that mocking disable people will also be supported by our new president.

It seems pretty obvious to me that a Trump presidency would drag the USA back in time, to at least the 1950's or earlier. Possibly clear back to the behavior of Neanderthals.

I'd like to think that I'm joking here, but actually this isn't far from the truth.

Let's face it. Trump is pretty crude. He's certainly not a model for civility.

I'm 67 years old. I have no living family. No kids, no wife. And my heath is poor, there's a very good chance that I'm not going to be around for too much longer. Whether Hillary or Trump become president of the USA actually means very little to me personally. Even if Trump were to destroy the USA I'm on my way out anyway, so it will be very little skin off my nose.

None the less, I hate to the USA go down the drain like this. And potentially take all the rest of humanity with it.

Hillary is hardly a saint. But she may very well be the only hope for humanity in this particular election cycle.

The only other salvation for humanity, (should Trump actually win) would be if Paul Ryan and congress could keep Trump from actually implementing all of his insane plans.

I'm pretty sure that's what Paul Ryan is counting on too.

[myth-one.com]

-Obama paying millions(billions?) to Iran, a terrorist government which attempts to humiliate the US, harrassing our Navy etc. No reason to believe HRC would deviate from Obama's policies.

This settlement was over a claim long pending before an international tribunal in The Hague set up to resolve disputes between the United States and Iran in the wake of the hostage crisis spanning from 1979 to 1981. The sum of $400 million, plus $1.3 billion in interest, settled claims over money Iran paid decades ago to buy weapons from the United States that were never delivered, after Iran's revolution broke out.

And yes, whoever is elected President of the USA should continue to abide by that legal settlement!

-Hillary has lied to the the Bengazi families.

If the Americans who died at Benghazi were alive today, I believe they would undoubtedly vote for Hillary in this election.

They obviously loved their country, and that's the reason I'm voting for her!

I'm not a democrat, but my political party has become a mob which I cannot support!

[Monta]

[Replying to post 5 by myth-one.com]



"Elijah John wrote:

-Hillary has lied to the the Bengazi families.

If the Americans who died at Benghazi were alive today, I believe they would undoubtedly vote for Hillary in this election.

They obviously loved their country, and that's the reason I'm voting for her! "

Ok, yu would vote for her, but why do you think THEY would?

[Bust Nak]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

It's quite amazing that I can take the stated reasons at face value and still think Clinton is by far the better candidate than Trump.

[Elijah John]

-Obama paying millions(billions?) to Iran, a terrorist government which attempts to humiliate the US, harrassing our Navy etc. No reason to believe HRC would deviate from Obama's policies.

This settlement was over a claim long pending before an international tribunal in The Hague set up to resolve disputes between the United States and Iran in the wake of the hostage crisis spanning from 1979 to 1981. The sum of $400 million, plus $1.3 billion in interest, settled claims over money Iran paid decades ago to buy weapons from the United States that were never delivered, after Iran's revolution broke out.

And yes, whoever is elected President of the USA should continue to abide by that legal settlement!

This is what I mean by Obama and Hillary considering America's best interest as secondary to world opinion or world "authorities".

Once Iran became a hostage-taking terrorist regieme, we owe them jack. Especially when they are, or will use that money against us.

These kind of technicalities are nonsense, and defy common sense. The American people get that, even if Left wing, Liberal internationalist elites don't.

-Hillary has lied to the the Bengazi families.

If the Americans who died at Benghazi were alive today, I believe they would undoubtedly vote for Hillary in this election.

You cannot prove it. Speculation pure and simple. With no grounds, especially since Hillary's inaction by failing to protect the embassy in the first place contributed to their murders, and her inaction while the crisis was going on in failing to send air forces, and her lying after the fact, saying it was all cause by a "video"...I doubt any of the would be survivors would be HRC supporters, neither would their families be.

They obviously loved their country, and that's the reason I'm voting for her!

I'm not a democrat, but my political party has become a mob which I cannot support!

I have no doubt you love your country too. But that is not an indicator of which candidate to support, neither is an indicator of which party to support.

"they loved their country, that's why you're voting for her"?. Non sequiter, don't ya think?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 5 by myth-one.com]



"Elijah John wrote:

-Hillary has lied to the the Bengazi families.

If the Americans who died at Benghazi were alive today, I believe they would undoubtedly vote for Hillary in this election.

They obviously loved their country, and that's the reason I'm voting for her! "

Ok, yu would vote for her, but why do you think THEY would?

Because they loved their country.

Also, the security who died had an incredible sense of duty.

They were civilian ex-military and were directed to stand down several times.

And they went anyway.

They could be killed, wounded, or fired -- but not court martialed.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

It's quite amazing that I can take the stated reasons at face value and still think Clinton is by far the better candidate than Trump.

That isn't amazing.

It's amazing that someone clueless is even being considered for the office.

Hillary could do a better job from a prison cell than the other candidate could do from the oral office!