Pat Buchanan curbstomps the bleeding hearts

[Paprika]

I love the smell of annihilation in the morning:

“Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide,� wrote James Burnham in his 1964 “Suicide of the West.�

Burnham predicted that the mindless magnanimity of liberals, who subordinate the interests of their own people and nations to utopian and altruistic impulses, would bring about an end to Western civilization.

Was he wrong? Consider what is happening in Europe.

Angela Merkel will be taking in 800,000 this year alone, though the grumbling has begun in Bavaria.

This is but the beginning of what is to come, if Europe does not pull up the drawbridge.

For the scores of thousands of Syrians in the Balkans, Hungary, Austria and Germany are only the first wave. Behind them in Lebanon, Turkey and Jordan are 4 million refugees from the Syrian civil war. Seeing the success of the first wave, they are now on the move.

Behind them are 2 million Alawites and 2 million Christians who will be fleeing Syria when the Bashar Assad regime falls to ISIS and the al-Qaeda terrorists who already occupy half of that blood-soaked land.

Now the Iraqis, who live in a country the prospects for whose reunification and peace are receding, have begun to move. Also among the thousands pouring into Europe from Turkey are Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Afghans. When the Americans leave Afghanistan and the Taliban take their revenge, more Afghans will be fleeing west.

Africa has a billion people, a number that will double by 2050, and double again to 4 billion by 2100. Are those billions of Africans going to endure lives of poverty under ruthless, incompetent, corrupt and tyrannical regimes, if Europe’s door remains wide open?

What is coming is not difficult to predict.

Europe is going to run out of altruism long before it runs out of refugees.

Liberal Man almost alone excepted, every species of animal life reacts or recoils when another species intrudes upon its turf.

Thus, in the end, Burnham was probably right.

Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide.

[2Dbunk]

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I love the smell of annihilation in the morning:

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“Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide,� wrote James Burnham in his 1964 “Suicide of the West.�

Burnham predicted that the mindless magnanimity of liberals, who subordinate the interests of their own people and nations to utopian and altruistic impulses, would bring about an end to Western civilization.

Was he wrong? Consider what is happening in Europe.

What would Jesus Do?

[Paprika]

Paprika wrote-

“Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide,� wrote James Burnham in his 1964 “Suicide of the West.�

Burnham predicted that the mindless magnanimity of liberals, who subordinate the interests of their own people and nations to utopian and altruistic impulses, would bring about an end to Western civilization.

Was he wrong?

Consider

what is happening in Europe.

Helping people: Isn't that the Christian way?

The Christian way isn't generally (as far as I'm aware) to severely harm its own society.

[2Dbunk]

Paprika

I understand your premise and I like your cartoon, but I find it somewhat bizarre that it's coming from a Christian. Are you really saying that the Christian way shows no respect for other ways of culture when if you live by the word of Christ, heaven is your reward and escape from this offending, crusty, sultry planet?

You must have little faith not to turn the other cheek if these offending critters are allowed on our pristine shores. With your attitude (assuming you are in concert with your premise of suspicion) you may find it difficult to enter through the pearly gates.

Oh, I keep forgetting that you are already a sinner and that all of your sins have been or will be washed away and you will gain entrance to heaven regardless, as long as you've accepted Christ as your savior. I see that you can afford to be smug, in the comfort of our western ways, and still have heaven to look forward to (classic having your cake and eating it too).

I, too, am concerned about uncontrolled immigration, basically for the same reasons that you point out. But, unlike you, I'm not Christian or any of the other pie in the sky notions of forever, so I feel reasonable in my suspicions.

It's kind of funny that for the most part, Atheists act more Christian and less suspicious than "born again" Christians do. Alas, that may be our failing -- not enough suspicion, and our future in tatters -- maybe I can move on to some reservation somewhere if I rub my skin red.

[Paprika]

Paprika

I understand your premise and I like your cartoon, but I find it somewhat bizarre that it's coming from a Christian. Are you really saying that the Christian way shows no respect for other ways of culture when if you live by the word of Christ, heaven is your reward and escape from this offending, crusty, sultry planet?

You must have little faith not to turn the other cheek if these offending critters are allowed on our pristine shores. With your attitude (assuming you are in concert with your premise of suspicion) you may find it difficult to enter through the pearly gates.

Oh, I keep forgetting that you are already a sinner and that all of your sins have been or will be washed away and you will gain entrance to heaven regardless, as long as you've accepted Christ as your savior. I see that you can afford to be smug, in the comfort of our western ways, and still have heaven to look forward to (classic having your cake and eating it too).

I, too, am concerned about uncontrolled immigration, basically for the same reasons that you point out. But, unlike you, I'm not Christian or any of the other pie in the sky notions of forever, so I feel reasonable in my suspicions.

It's kind of funny that for the most part, Atheists act more Christian and less suspicious than "born again" Christians do. Alas, that may be our failing -- not enough suspicion, and our future in tatters -- maybe I can move on to some reservation somewhere if I rub my skin red.

Hardly.

The Christian cannot merely succumb to emotional manipulation: he has to think of his family and his people. He has to think of the order of society which is crucial to peace and the public good. While controlled immigration and asylum is still viable, obviously the uncontrolled leads to disaster, so he who would be as wise as serpents must do what is right, rather than what the liberal media is trumpeting as right.

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to Paprika]

Like it or not our freedom and liberalism are the magnets drawing the downtrodden to our shores. Christianity and secularism are joining hands -- like it or not -- to fend off and winnow out the criminals and jihadists that are trying to seed themselves among these downtrodden. It could be an easy process with the help of your God, but you suspect your prayers are not convincing Him to come to your (our) rescue, so you lay the blame with our "liberal press."

Of course, the blame can't possibly be a manifestation of the Bush wars that eventually started the exodus out of the Middle East in the first place! Of course the blame cannot be assigned to Christ who many credit the "scales to be lifted from the eyes" of European pagans allowing them to see the "light" of Christianity.

Over 2,000 years and the Jesus-come-much-later than-one-cares-to-think-about could end this parade, much to your satisfaction! Until then, Like it or not, water will seek its own level, dirty or clean. If we worry for our western assimilated culture we must take care to control these waters with proper flood control procedures. Technicians (politicians) must engineer a solution to this problem, and quickly. Don't blame liberalism unless you plan to "can" it. I for one don't want to see us back-peddle into the dark.

[Paprika]

[Replying to Paprika]

Like it or not our freedom and liberalism are the magnets drawing the downtrodden to our shores.

Benefits, you mean:

Christianity and secularism are joining hands -- like it or not -- to fend off and winnow out the criminals and jihadists that are trying to seed themselves among these downtrodden.

No, it is secularism that has thus far tried to open the borders. In contrast, Christian Hungary has been the main steadfast resistor.

It could be an easy process with the help of your God, but you suspect your prayers are not convincing Him to come to your (our) rescue, so you lay the blame with our "liberal press."

Is there supposed to be some coherent point here?

Of course, the blame can't possibly be a manifestation of the Bush wars that eventually started the exodus out of the Middle East in the first place! Of course the blame cannot be assigned to Christ who many credit the "scales to be lifted from the eyes" of European pagans allowing them to see the "light" of Christianity.

Ditto.

Over 2,000 years and the Jesus-come-much-later than-one-cares-to-think-about could end this parade, much to your satisfaction! Until then, Like it or not, water will seek its own level, dirty or clean. If we worry for our western assimilated culture we must take care to control these waters with proper flood control procedures. Technicians (politicians) must engineer a solution to this problem, and quickly. Don't blame liberalism unless you plan to "can" it.

I will blame liberalism regardless of whether I plan to "can" it since clearly it is the driving force behind the open borders and the subsequent chaos.[/img]

[2Dbunk]

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Paprika said

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It could be an easy process with the help of your God, but you suspect your prayers are not convincing Him to come to your (our) rescue, so you lay the blame with our "liberal press."

Is there supposed to be some coherent point here?


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Of course, the blame can't possibly be a manifestation of the Bush wars that eventually started the exodus out of the Middle East in the first place! Of course the blame cannot be assigned to Christ who many credit the "scales to be lifted from the eyes" of European pagans allowing them to see the "light" of Christianity.

Ditto.

Just mixing some theology in with the history, can't you tell?

I have a friend like you -- we argue and try to drink the other under the table, attempting to change each other. Like you, he's a hard nut to crack -- probably what he thinks of me. I sympathize with the way he limits himself to such a parochial understanding of things. And you, to say you enjoy the smell of annihilation (paraphrasing Pat Buchanan) of a people trying to find a better way, and those who salve their plight -- boggles my mind, especially coming from a worshiper of Jesus.

I ask you: would you not do the same for your family as these refugees are doing -- trying to find the best way for their kids or themselves -- if you faced the same circumstances?

You know that life is just a game, right? In ten, fifty, a hundred, a thousand years, what you and I say isn't going to make a tinker's damn in the totality of things. One should enjoy the game while we can, and not harden oneself to the play of others (unless of course their play turns unruly). If you don't approach life as a game, you need to lighten up, throw off those shackles and jump into the pool. Don't take life so seriously!

I am reminded of a song called "The Rose." You may find it a therapeutic mirror into your soul.

[Paprika]

Just mixing some theology in with the history, can't you tell?

I couldn't tell how that irrelevant mess had any significance. Please do expound.

And you, to say you enjoy the smell of annihilation (paraphrasing Pat Buchanan) of a people trying to find a better way, and those who salve their plight -- boggles my mind, especially coming from a worshiper of Jesus.

Please do try to represent me accurately: I love the smell of the annihilation of the bleeding hearts' "arguments" for immigration.

I ask you: would you not do the same for your family as these refugees are doing -- trying to find the best way for their kids or themselves -- if you faced the same circumstances?

What I or you would do is hardly relevant: the point at debate is what should be done in response to the waves of immgration.

You know that life is just a game, right? In ten, fifty, a hundred, a thousand years, what you and I say isn't going to make a tinker's damn in the totality of things.

Let's mix in some coherent theology, shall we: all things matter.

One should enjoy the game while we can, and not harden oneself to the play of others (unless of course their play turns unruly).

Masses of immigrants forcing their way isn't 'unruly'?

If you don't approach life as a game, you need to lighten up, throw off those shackles and jump into the pool. Don't take life so seriously!

This reminds of those adolescent days when responsibility meant nothing to me. Happily, I have left such immaturity behind.

[2Dbunk]

[Replying to Paprika]

Paprika

2Dbunk wrote:

Just mixing some theology in with the history, can't you tell?

I couldn't tell how that irrelevant mess had any significance. Please do expound.

I can't make it any clearer. My statement stands as is.

2Dbunk wrote:

And you, to say you enjoy the smell of annihilation (paraphrasing Pat Buchanan) of a people trying to find a better way, and those who salve their plight -- boggles my mind, especially coming from a worshiper of Jesus.

Please do try to represent me accurately: I love the smell of the annihilation of the bleeding hearts' "arguments" for immigration.

Oh, you meant the bleeding hearts' argument only? What 'bout the bleeding refugees' argument, or is their exodus only mute testimony?

2Dbunk wrote:

I ask you: would you not do the same for your family as these refugees are doing -- trying to find the best way for their kids or themselves -- if you faced the same circumstances?

What I or you would do is hardly relevant: the point at debate is what should be done in response to the waves of immgration.

I was just pointing out motive for these refugees' parade onto European turf. May I ask what you would suggest?

2Dbunk wrote:

You know that life is just a game, right? In ten, fifty, a hundred, a thousand years, what you and I say isn't going to make a tinker's damn in the totality of things.

Let's mix in some coherent theology, shall we: all things matter.

My statement stands as is.

2Dbunk wrote:

One should enjoy the game while we can, and not harden oneself to the play of others (unless of course their play turns unruly).

Masses of immigrants forcing their way isn't 'unruly'?

We've all seen much unrulier. My statement stands as is.

2Dbunk wrote:

If you don't approach life as a game, you need to lighten up, throw off those shackles and jump into the pool. Don't take life so seriously!

This reminds of those adolescent days when responsibility meant nothing to me. Happily, I have left such immaturity behind.

Good for you.

[Haven]

It deeply saddens me to see the amount of blatant racism and white supremacist sentiment on this thread. Sadly, it's a reflection of our deeply racist society.

I'm in favor of unlimited immigration--let people travel, live, and work wherever they choose without being impeded by any borders. Will this result in some social changes? Maybe, even though all evidence shows that immigrants to a country eventually assimilate in large ways to the surrounding culture. Still, even if it does, who cares? Societies should be multicultural.

With that aside, I don't care one bit about "Western civilization," because it doesn't exist. It's simply an artificial construct meant to glorify colonialism (remember that, when Westerners invaded non-Western continents and eradicated their peoples and cultures?) and the myth of white supremacy. The so-called "West" consists of many nations that are very different from each other on both a cultural and linguistic level (what do Finns have in common with Albanians, or Spaniards with Latvians?). It's not one civilization any more than Africa or Asia are single civilizations. "Western civilization" is simply used as a dog whistle, a thinly veiled euphemism for "white people." It's, ironically enough, a "politically correct" term meant to distract from the overtly racist nature of the assertions being made.