Free Our Schools

[Ifti]

Free Our Schools



Almost all children now believe they go to school to pass exams. The idea that they may be there for an education is irrelevant. State schools have become exam factories, interested only in A to C Grades. They do not educate children. Exam results do not reflect a candidate’s innate ability. Employers have moaned for years that too many employees cannot read or write properly. According to a survey, school-leavers and even graduates lack basic literacy and numeracy skills. More and more companies are having to provide remedial training to new staff, who can’t write clear instructions, do simple maths, or solve problems. Both graduates and school-leavers were also criticised for their sloppy time-keeping, ignorance of basic customer service and lack of self-discipline.



Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.



The British Government is planning to make it easier to schools to “opt out� from the Local Authorities. Muslim children in state schools feel isolated and confused about who they are. This can cause dissatisfaction and lead them into criminality, and the lack of a true understanding of Islam can ultimately make them more susceptible to the teachings of fundamentalists like Christians during the middle ages and Jews in recent times in Palestine. Fundamentalism is nothing to do with Islam and Muslim; you are either a Muslim or a non-Muslim.



There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.



Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.


None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.



None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos. Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith. Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parents that the British schooling does not adequately address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response. State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of "extremism", criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right.
IA

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 1 by Ifti]

Do mosques not have donations given by their congregants?

Take that money and use it for your religious education. You can't take public money to teach religion. In the UK the official state religion is Anglican if you do not like this I suggest moving to a country where Islam is the official state religion.

[McCulloch]

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum.

My government, which funds the education system in my country, does not have the right either to prohibit or to promote religion. Religious groups that wish to indoctrinate their children should do it on their own dime, not the taxpayers'.

There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children.

I hope that the government in the UK does not acquiesce to these demands. Publicly funded education should not be different for children who's parents adhere to this or that particular religion. School is not about religion.

Fundamentalism is nothing to do with Islam and Muslim; you are either a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

Spoken like a true fundamentalist.

[bluethread]

Though universal education is seen as a right in the west, I do not think that government run education is, at best, just supplement to a parents responsibilities. When parents abdicate there children's education to the state, they have no one to blame but themselves if that education does not meet the parent standards.

[DanieltheDragon]

[Replying to post 4 by bluethread]

Do you expect all parents capable of teaching physics calculus trigonometry etc?

Do you think some parents are better at teaching science and others better at history and others better at english?

Home education by parents is the most inefficient form of education we have today. How do you expect a single mom working two jobs to find the time to properly educate her children in areas of study she never completed?

It is not a right but necessary for the continued success of a civilization. If we as a civilization abdicate the role of education as a society then only the upper classes will be educated and that limits the total % of the population that will have the necessary education to engage in entreprenuerial success.

Lowering the % of your population that is capable of becoming leaders and job creators.

Education may not be a right but it is necessary for the success of a nation.

The U.S. does not have the necessary provisions in it's constitution to allow for state sponsored religious education. In England the state religion is a christian denomination. Religious education is taught in all school and reflects the state religion in its dealings.

[Ifti]

[Replying to post 3 by McCulloch]

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslim community is not asking for any favour. Muslim community pays all sorts of taxes and is less burden on the social services.

It is easy to say" Go back to where you came from", but do not forget that British Muslims are actually born and educated here. They are in the unenviable position of trying to combine two different worlds. That is no easy. We do not want to change you lot but we would like to see our children getting balanced Islamic education along with National Curriculum. We would like our children to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the National Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. At the same time we would like our children to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural roots and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. Bilingualism is an asset but British schooling regards it as a problem.

Islamic extremism and Washington’s extremism is not really that different in their goals of domination. I am more concerned about being shot by a cop in my own house than being shot or blown up by a Muslim also.

The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.
IA
http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 4 by bluethread]

Do you expect all parents capable of teaching physics calculus trigonometry etc?

No, but I do expect parents to be able to be responsible to teach their children how to be resourceful. That said, we are talking about expectations here. Why should I expect other people to provide for my children? That is my responsibility.

Do you think some parents are better at teaching science and others better at history and others better at english?

Yes, that is why I set my children to a friends to learn Hebrew.

Home education by parents is the most inefficient form of education we have today. How do you expect a single mom working two jobs to find the time to properly educate her children in areas of study she never completed?

Mass production education is old technology, supported by the buggy whip Unions of the NEA. With the advent of the internet, there is no need for the cathedrals of education that are being erected all over this country. I expect such a women to teach her children the importance of making sure they do not become single parents with more children than they can afford to care for. Beyond that I expect her to teach her children how to be resourceful and motivated.

It is not a right but necessary for the continued success of a civilization. If we as a civilization abdicate the role of education as a society then only the upper classes will be educated and that limits the total % of the population that will have the necessary education to engage in entreprenuerial success.

Lowering the % of your population that is capable of becoming leaders and job creators.

Education may not be a right but it is necessary for the success of a nation.

The U.S. does not have the necessary provisions in it's constitution to allow for state sponsored religious education. In England the state religion is a christian denomination. Religious education is taught in all school and reflects the state religion in its dealings.

Ah, but a government approved education is not only a right, but a state mandated requirement in these United States. As in England, public education here also engages in social indoctrination. That is the nature of mass education, it requires conformity and most entrepreneurs are by nature nonconformists. Now, if you are talking about the much maligned corporate bureaucrats, those are created by the education factories.

That said, I was not saying that public education is wrong as such. What I am saying is that one should not look a gift horse in the mouth. If you don't like the old nag, get another horse. If you can't afford a horse, teach your kids how to walk. One shouldn't be complaining that the government isn't providing super absorbent diapers for our children. To that analogy, do you know why, until the middle of the last century, male children wore dresses for the first couple years of their lives. (Hint: it had nothing to do with gender identity.)

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

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It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views.
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It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins.

"It's absurd to think Islam teaches what it is, it teaches!"

I propose that until we can show God / Allah has an opinion, we'd be kinda goofy to go about declaring he does.

[Jashwell]

[Replying to post 6 by Ifti]

Muslim oriented faith schools, and Christian and ANY OTHER faith schools should not exist. They allow the child a biased education, and to be force-fed propaganda and ideologies. (inc religions)

Children should receive a fair education on religious topics - as it happens, UK schools must teach a fair Religious Education subject. One that covers the main views of multiple religions (as well as non-religious views), without explicitly condoning or condemning them. This includes Islam, as it should.

The issues with education are because of poor school policies, not the fact that there are school policies. Anecdotal evidence isn't amazing, but when I was in secondary school students retook the same exam (not the same paper) literally 4 or 5 times (some failed it the last time too) and so I'm not surprised people who could barely do maths passed. Inspections by Ofsted (the Office for Standards in Education) are seriously lacking, and are effectively just a stage performance.

Why do you keep bringing up terrorism?

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 1 by Ifti]


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