Divorce and Remarriage

[McCulloch]

I had a friend, a conservative Christian evangelist, who taught that for Christians, the only allowable reason to get a divorce, is for adultery.

[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ["]

If a Christian is divorced for any other reason, then in the eyes of God, it is not a properly constituted divorce. Since it is not a divorce, then the Christian who is not properly divorced is still married to his or her previous spouse and therefore not free to remarry.
So, if Jack divorces Jill, for a reason other than adultery, and subsequently marries Julianna, he is committing adultery with Julianna. He must separate from Julianna, treat her as a sister, until such time as he can divorce Jill for her adultery. If Jill has not remarried, or otherwise committed adultery, Jack is out of luck. Jesus told an adulterer to sin no more.
This is a particularly harsh teaching, but Jesus did not promise that repentance would always be an easy thing.
I have searched the New Testament for some other point of view, but it seems to me that this is the consistent application of teaching of Jesus.

Does anyone have any other Biblical teaching on this topic? Does Jesus allow remarriage for his followers in cases other than unchastity?

[Wyvern]

it seems to me that if you take the bible literally it goes even further. If you get a divorce due to adultery as far as the bible is concerned you are still married to your original mate so if you have sex with anyone else you are committing adultery yourself and even worse if you merely have impure thoughts about someone else while you are married you are committing adultery as well, the bible makes no distinction between acts and thoughts.
So in short the bible allows only one marriage, no matter the circumstances of the separation if either party engages in sex afterwards or even thinks about having sex except with the original mate it is adultery.

[1John2_26]

I had a friend, a conservative Christian evangelist, who taught that for Christians, the only allowable reason to get a divorce, is for adultery.
Matthew 5 wrote:
[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

If a Christian is divorced for any other reason, then in the eyes of God, it is not a properly constituted divorce. Since it is not a divorce, then the Christian who is not properly divorced is still married to his or her previous spouse and therefore not free to remarry.

So, if Jack divorces Jill, for a reason other than adultery, and subsequently marries Julianna, he is committing adultery with Julianna.

He must separate from Julianna, treat her as a sister, until such time as he can divorce Jill for her adultery. If Jill has not remarried, or otherwise committed adultery, Jack is out of luck. Jesus told an adulterer to sin no more.

This is a particularly harsh teaching, but Jesus did not promise that repentance would always be an easy thing.

I have searched the New Testament for some other point of view, but it seems to me that this is the consistent application of teaching of Jesus.

Does anyone have any other Biblical teaching on this topic? Does Jesus allow remarriage for his followers in cases other than unchastity?

Let us not forget that "Jesus (the Christ)" is called the Son of David. And of course the "son" of Bathsheba and David in keeping with Biblical history.

Notice that Bathsheba is still referred to as the ""wife" of Uriah" in the genealogy of Jesus.

For reference: Matthew 1:6 (New American Standard Bible NASB)

6Jesse was the father of David the king. David (A)was the father of Solomon by [a]Bathsheba who had been the wife of Uriah.

Footnotes:

Matthew 1:6 Lit her of Uriah

Interesting stuff this adultery and re-"marriage" thing. Especially when children are connected. David and Bathsheba were adulterers "before" David set up Uriah's death. Murder is frowned upon "as a sin" in Israelite laws. Too. Maybe not as a detestable act (all of the time), but as a sin no less.

Is a person still seen "as" an adulterer if they are "forgiven" by God of their sins? Are their lives and of course "children" disallowed?

Doesn't God say He will remember their sins no more?

David in Psalm 51 sure hopes so. Read it. The premise for repentance is is a pillar of rock to "Bible-believers."

David was a Judean Hebrew Israelite.

Hebrews 10 (NIV):

15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16"This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds." 17Then he adds:
"Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more."

18And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. 19Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. 25Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay, and again, "The Lord will judge his people. 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering. 33Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34You sympathized with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.

35So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37For in just a very little while,
"He who is coming will come and will not delay.
38But my righteous one will live by faith.
And if he shrinks back,
I will not be pleased with him. 39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

How many times does Jesus tell His disciples to forgive each other? In the preceding chapter in Matthew that is?

It is nice to finally see the Bible taken so literally. Repentance and forgiveness can only straighten things out after the defining of right and wrong is taken from the Lord of Glory.

It is good to use Jesus as the Judge on these matters, since that is one of his main roles as the Son of God. You cannot debate Christianity without using the words of Christ Jesus.

Here is divorce in Matthew (and Mark as well). Notice that in both "sermons" (the conversation going on) that the heart and mind of the innocent child is also mentioned as a condition of the believer.

And in Matthew look for what Jesus looks for in the heart and mind and actions of believers. Orthodoxy is a very important thing:

Matthew 19
Divorce
1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

The Little Children and Jesus
13Then little children were brought to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked those who brought them.
14Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." 15When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.

The Rich Young Man
16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

18"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, 19honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.]"

20"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"

26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

27Peter answered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?"

28Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. 30But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.

And in Mark:

Mark 10
Divorce
1Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea and across the Jordan. Again crowds of people came to him, and as was his custom, he taught them.
2Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"

3"What did Moses command you?" he replied.

4They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."

5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied.

6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."


10When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

The Little Children and Jesus

13People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them.

14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.

15I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

16And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them.


The Rich Young Man
17As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'"

20"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."

21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!"

24The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

26The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?"

27Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."

28Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!"

29"I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel 30will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

31But many who are first will be last, and the last first."

Jesus Again Predicts His Death
32They were on their way up to Jerusalem, with Jesus leading the way, and the disciples were astonished, while those who followed were afraid. Again he took the Twelve aside and told them what was going to happen to him. 33"We are going up to Jerusalem," he said, "and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles, 34who will mock him and spit on him, flog him and kill him. Three days later he will rise."

The Request of James and John
35Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him. "Teacher," they said, "we want you to do for us whatever we ask."
36"What do you want me to do for you?" he asked.

37They replied, "Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory."

38"You don't know what you are asking," Jesus said. "Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?"

39"We can," they answered. Jesus said to them, "You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared."

41When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John. 42Jesus called them together and said, "You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 43Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 44and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

Blind Bartimaeus Receives His Sight
46Then they came to Jericho. As Jesus and his disciples, together with a large crowd, were leaving the city, a blind man, Bartimaeus (that is, the Son of Timaeus), was sitting by the roadside begging. 47When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!"

48Many rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, "Son of David, have mercy on me!"

49Jesus stopped and said, "Call him." So they called to the blind man, "Cheer up! On your feet! He's calling you." 50Throwing his cloak aside, he jumped to his feet and came to Jesus.

51"What do you want me to do for you?" Jesus asked him.
The blind man said, "Rabbi, I want to see."

52"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." Immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh:

Jeremiah 31:34

34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."

[McCulloch]

I may be getting this wrong but it appears to me that you are saying that forgiveness of the sin of adultery somehow annuls a marriage. Does forgiveness negate the need for repentance?

[1John2_26]

McCulloch wrote:
I may be getting this wrong but it appears to me that you are saying that forgiveness of the sin of adultery somehow annuls a marriage. Does forgiveness negate the need for repentance?

Keep to orthodoxy on marriage. And on all things. I am in complete agreement on that. A sinner repenting, many times returns to an emptied house and must rebuild it on the only foundation they can. The Word of God.

My message on the order in which the act of wiping away sins has never been hard to understand. It is the same one presented in the Bible. Notice that consequences may indeed still remain in effect, but, the reasons have been willingly forgotten or better yet discarded by God. As God forgives what we did "to God" it does appear quite impossible for man to think the same way.

Isn't that exactly what Jesus said?

And what the adversaries and "The Adversary" of the children of God hope to highlight and want to rely on to keep sinners from believing "in" forgiveness?" How many chances for forgiveness does a person get?

Here is how a popular (Christian) band sings about the subject of sins (plural):

"Ocean Floor"
by Audio Adrenaline

Album: Lift
Artist Info: Discography
Song Clip: Real Audio


The mistakes I've made
That caused pain
I could have done without
All my selfish thoughts
All my pride
The things I hide
You have forgot about

They're all behind you
They'll never find you
They're on the ocean floor
Your sins are forgotten
They're on the bottom
Of the ocean floor

My misdeeds
All my greed
All the things that haunt me now
They're not a pretty sight to see
But they're wiped away
By a mighty wave
A mighty wave, mighty wave

They're all behind you
They'll never find you
They're on the ocean floor
Your sins are forgotten
They're on the bottom
Of the ocean floor

Take them away
To return no more
Take them away
To the ocean floor

The great adversarial position againstt the Gospel has is the accusation that sins never leave a person. In fact I would say that Satan is there trying to get people to believe they are condemned by what they do. Jesus made it clear that only one sin was not erasable.

The youth of today coming to Christ Jesus sing the same song as Christ Himself.

David Crowder
Here is our King

Here Is Our King

A Collision
by David Crowder Band

Listen: [rm]
Lyrics:
From wherever spring arrives to heal the ground
From wherever searching comes
(The look itself a trace of what we’re looking for)
So be quiet now...and wait
The ocean is growing
The tide is coming in
Here it is...

Here is our King
Here is our love
Here is our God who’s come
To bring us back to Him
He is the One
He is Jesus

And what was said to the rose
To make it unfold
Was said to me here in my chest
So be quiet now...and rest
The ocean is growing
The tide is coming in
Here it is...

Majesty...
Finally...
Here

Written by David Crowder ©2005 worshiptogether.com Songs / sixsteps Music (ASCAP) Admin by EMI CMG Publishing

It is Sunday. Let us worship the Risen Christ. Truly as His "redeemed."

Sing it Mark. I'll sing it with you.

02. Praise You In This Storm

Lifesong
by Casting Crowns

Listen: [rm]
Lyrics:
I was sure by now
That You would have reached down
And wiped our tears away
Stepped in and saved the day
But once again, I say “Amen”, and it’s still raining

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear Your whisper through the rain
“I’m with you”
And as You mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

I’ll praise You in this storm
And I will life my hands
For You are who You are
No matter where I am
Every tear I’ve cried
You hold in Your hand
You never left my side
And though my heart is torn
I will praise You in this storm

I remember when
I stumbled in the wind
You heard my cry
You raised me up again
My strength is almost gone
How can I carry on
If I can’t find You

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear You whisper through the rain
“I’m with you”
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

I lift my eyes unto the hills
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord
The Maker of Heaven and Earth


Written by Mark Hall / Music by Mark Hall and Bernie Herms ©2005 Club Zoo Music (BMI) / SWECS Music (BMI) (admin. by EMI CMG Publishing) / Word Music, LLC (ASCAP) / Banahama Tunes (ASCAP) (admin. by Word Music, LLC)

Listen at:

http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com

And listen to what Christians believe in.

Amazing Grace that saved a wretch like me . . .

[1John2_26]

And for those of you for whom english is not a primary language:

Hebrews 10:17

και των αμαρτιων αυτων και των ανομιων αυτων ου μη μνησθω ετι


και των αμαρτιων αυτων και των ανομιων αυτων ου μη μνησθω ετι


και των αμαρτιων αυτων και των ανομιων αυτων ου μη μνησθησομαι ετι


και των αμαρτιων αυτων και των ανομιων αυτων ου μη μνησθησομαι ετι


et peccatorum et iniquitatium eorum iam non recordabor amplius


And their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


And I will keep no more memory of their sins and of their evil-doings.


and their sins and their lawlessnesses I will never remember any more.


And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


He adds, "And their sins and offences I will remember no longer."


And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.


"I will remember their sins and their iniquities no more."


and 'their sins and their lawlessness I will remember no more;'


en aan hulle sondes en hulle ongeregtighede sal Ek nooit meer dink nie.


Duke pasur, pra, o vëllezër, liri të plotë për të hyrë në shenjtërore me anë të gjakut të Jezusit,


ولن اذكر خطاياهم وتعدياتهم في ما بعد.


又说：“我决不再记着他们的罪恶，和不法的行为。”


又說：“我決不再記著他們的罪惡，和不法的行為。”


以 後 就 说 ： 我 不 再 记 念 他 们 的 罪 愆 和 他 们 的 过 犯 。


以 後 就 說 ： 我 不 再 記 念 他 們 的 罪 愆 和 他 們 的 過 犯 。


Za tím řekl: A na hříchy jejich, i na nepravosti jejich nikoli nezpomenu více.


na jejich hříchy a nepravosti už nikdy nevzpomenu.'


og deres Synder og deres Overtrædelser vil jeg ikke mere ihukomme.


En hun zonden en hun ongerechtigheden zal Ik geenszins meer gedenken.


Kaj iliajn pekojn kaj malbonajxojn Mi ne plu rememoros.


Ja heidän syntejänsä ja vääryyttänsä en minä enempi tahdo muistaa.


Et je ne me souviendrai plus de leurs péchés ni de leurs iniquités.


Ihrer Sünden und ihrer Gesetzlosigkeiten werde ich nie mehr gedenken.


und ihrer Sünden und Ungerechtigkeit will ich nicht mehr gedenken."


und ihrer Sünden und ihrer Ungerechtigkeiten will ich nicht mehr gedenken.»


[Azután így szól:] És az õ bûneikrõl és álnokságaikról többé meg nem emlékezem.


E non mi ricorderò più de’ lor peccati, nè delle loro iniquità.


E non mi ricorderò più de’ loro peccati e delle loro iniquità.


또 저희 죄와 저희 불법을 내가 다시 기억지 아니하리라 하셨으니


E kore hoki e maharatia e ahau o ratou hara, o ratou kino a mua ake.


adaugă: ,,Şi nu-Mi voi mai aduce aminte de păcatele lor, nici de fărădelegile lor.``


и грехов их и беззаконий их не воспомяну более.


Añade: Y nunca más me acordaré de sus pecados é iniquidades.


At ang kanilang mga kasalanan at kanilang mga kasamaan ay hindi ko na aalalahanin pa.


และจะไม่จดจำบาปและความชั่วช้าของเขาอีกต่อไป"'


Lại phán: Ta sẽ chẳng còn nhớ đến tội lỗi gian ác của chúng nó nữa.


Izono zabo nokuchasa umthetho kwabo ndingabi sakukhumbula.

[rowdy]

please forgive my grammer folks but here goes.To remarry is to be "living in sin". To continue in that new marriage is to be committing adultery each and every time sex occurs. The reason that is, is because god will only see your first wife as your only wife till death parts you. One can ask the lord for forgiveness for getting a divorce cause the bible states God hates divorce and that divorce was never part of his plan for marriage,which god himself established by the way. But to then go and do something so sinful and adulterous as to go get married to someone else, which God is not going to allow or bless as long as the first wife is still living. So obviously sex with someone other than your wife is adultery. Listen guys its very simple God only recognizes your first wife as your ONE AND ONLY wife forever and anyone else you sleep with will be considered adultery. If the divorce does occur its the divorce itself that you will need to ask forgiveness for,unlless the divorce is happening because of fornication which JESUS (God in the flesh lets not forget) says is the one and only reason God allows for you to actually give up totally on the marriage with no need for you to try and make the marriage work at all. Its the one reason you are not required to keep those "FOR BETTER OR WORSE TILL DEATH DO US PART" vows that took place during your wedding ceramony. Yes fellow christians those vows you made were to God lets not forget.So if she is the only wife you get (of course unless she dies) then for the love of god people you better remain single because any sex for any reason with any one else but her is..... BINGO.....ADULTERY, and we all know guys that repetative adultery with no effort to flee from that sin is bad, bad news.So to hopefully sum it up, to ask for forgiveness for the unjustified divorce is necessary.but NEVER EVER does God allow to have a second wife unless your marriage convenant is dissolved by God and only God Himself. Thats what is meant in the marriage service and in the bible that says "What God has joined together here today let NO MAN (humans) seperate." He put the marriage together so He demands to be the one to take it apart.

[rowdy]

please forgive my grammer folks but here goes.To remarry is to be "living in sin". To continue in that new marriage is to be committing adultery each and every time sex occurs. The reason that is, is because god will only see your first wife as your only wife till death parts you. One can ask the lord for forgiveness for getting a divorce cause the bible states God hates divorce and that divorce was never part of his plan for marriage,which god himself established by the way. But to then go and do something so sinful and adulterous as to go get married to someone else, which God is not going to allow or bless as long as the first wife is still living. So obviously sex with someone other than your wife is adultery. Listen guys its very simple God only recognizes your first wife as your ONE AND ONLY wife forever and anyone else you sleep with will be considered adultery. If the divorce does occur its the divorce itself that you will need to ask forgiveness for,unlless the divorce is happening because of fornication which JESUS (God in the flesh lets not forget) says is the one and only reason God allows for you to actually give up totally on the marriage with no need for you to try and make the marriage work at all. Its the one reason you are not required to keep those "FOR BETTER OR WORSE TILL DEATH DO US PART" vows that took place during your wedding ceramony. Yes fellow christians those vows you made were to God lets not forget.So if she is the only wife you get (of course unless she dies) then for the love of god people you better remain single because any sex for any reason with any one else but her is..... BINGO.....ADULTERY, and we all know guys that repetative adultery with no effort to flee from that sin is bad, bad news.So to hopefully sum it up, to ask for forgiveness for the unjustified divorce is necessary.but NEVER EVER does God allow to have a second wife unless your marriage convenant is dissolved by God and only God Himself. Thats what is meant in the marriage service and in the bible that says "What God has joined together here today let NO MAN (humans) seperate." He put the marriage together so He demands to be the one to take it apart.

[McCulloch]

I may be getting this wrong but it appears to me that you are saying that forgiveness of the sin of adultery somehow annuls a marriage. Does forgiveness negate the need for repentance?

Keep to orthodoxy on marriage. And on all things. I am in complete agreement on that. A sinner repenting, many times returns to an emptied house and must rebuild it on the only foundation they can. The Word of God.
My message on the order in which the act of wiping away sins has never been hard to understand. It is the same one presented in the Bible. Notice that consequences may indeed still remain in effect, but, the reasons have been willingly forgotten or better yet discarded by God. As God forgives what we did "to God" it does appear quite impossible for man to think the same way.

This is a new doctrine to me.
If Jack divorces Jill (neither of them having committed adultery) and marries Jennifer, his marriage to Jennifer is, according to Jesus, an adulterous relationship. If Jack becomes a Christian, then does he have to repent of adultery? If so, in what way? Leave Jennifer and return to Jill? Or is it that repentance is not necessary? Does God's forgiveness change the sinful relationship between Jack and Jennifer into a holy one?

[Suzanne]

If I may add my two cents worth ..
I HONESTLY do not believe that CHRIST JESUS OR THE FATHER IN HEAVEN would expect nor want anyone man or woman to live with someone that made them unhappy in any way. even though all marriages have their problems LOST TRUST anf faithfulness IS OFTEN NOT ABLE TO be REVIVED> AFTER ONCE loosing it over an INDICRETION OF INFIDELITY.

I KNOW I WS DIVRCED because of this and THE POINT IS I PROBABLY should have never married in the first place. YET BELIEVING AS I DO. THAT WE LEARN BY OUR MISTAKES and for every wrong descision we pay for it in MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING. and if we do not learn from the expierence then we will tend to end up doing the same thing again and again never learning the LESSONS THAT all these things are supposed to give us a way to grow into mature responsible adults in the first place not to mention become as we are to be before leaving this life forever because what we lerave behind ???????????? WELL THAT should have something to say for who we were as a person and make a point and give GLORY TO OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN RIGHT???????????NOT forgetting that without HIM NONE OF US would have this life in the first place would we?????????

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER WANTS YOU TO SUFFER FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING> AND SHOULD WE NOT believe that HE REALLY WANTS THE VERY BEST for us IN THE END??????? I KNOW MY GOD WANTS NOTHING BUT THE BEST FOR ME> I JUST AM THE PROBLEM WE ARE THE PROBLEM WE AS long as we are here will make otur mistakes in JUDGMENT BECAUSE WE ARE INCAPABLE OF MAKING GOOD ONES IN THE FIRST PLACE without HIS HELP AND GUIDENCE. after all WE ARE CHILDREN OF THE KING and the KING KNOWS better then the CHILD WHAT is best for HIS CHILD.

TAKES A LONG TIME FOR THE KING, of king's, LORD of lord's AND the HOST's OF God and HIS SPIRIT TO COME TO UNDERSTAND what GOD WANT'S DID WANT FOR HIS own all along... THE VERY BEST the FATHER OF ANY CHILD would want FOR them to have all HE HAS GOOD for them and peace and happiness, and joy, unspeakable.

I don't know about you but I have never believed that MY HEAVENLY FATHER CREATOR GOD EVER WANTED ANYTHING BUT THE BEST for me. YET being the HUMAN I AM HAVING ALL THE ATTRIBUTES OF THAT SAME HEAVENLY FATHER THAT HAS CREATED US well I AM AFTER ALL MY FATHERS CHILD> I HAVE ALL HIS ATTRIBUTES and there is no mistaken about that. WE ALL DO.. FOR MY GOD HAS SAID; I AM A JEALOUS GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER gods before ME." HE is a GOD OF WRATH AND "VENGENCE IS MINE" SAYETH THE LORD. HE DEFFINITLY IS A FAIR and JUST GOD AND FATHER FOR HE IS NOT A GOD OF PATIALITY HE TREATS ALL HIS CHILDREN THE SAME no matter. HE LOVES ALL HIS CHILDREN and TREATS THEM ALL ALIKE. IF WE GET OUT OF LINE HE IS SWIFT TO REMIND US WITH A CORRECTION CHASTIZEMENT. OH you thought all those bad things were just fate or bad luck?????? well yes bad luck for the CHILD RIGHT. DID'NT your PARENTS THAT WERE EARTHLY VESSELS OF THE SAME HEAVENLY FATHER GOD TEACH YOU ANYTHING BY GIVING PUNISHMENT AND CORRECTION AND CHASTIZEMENT FOR NOT OBEYING WHAT THEY KNEW WAS NOT GOOD FOR YOU TO DO???????? IF NOT what kind of parents did u you have that cared NOT ENOPUGFH TO TEACH YOU RIGHT from wrong in the first place and YET loving you and fogiving you in the process??? WOULD OUR AS MANKIND WOULD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER DO ANY LESS> SEEING HOW HE GAVE ALL HE HAD TO GIVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WE CALL LORD JESUS CHRIST HE IS RISEN YA KNOW OR ARE there still people in here that disagree with HIS REALITY AND TYRUTH OF what HE HAS ALREADY said and done and is still manifesting HIMSELF AND HIS TRUTH IN THE W ORLD THIS VERY DAY ????? OR is it just that none see what is coming to pass before our very eyes this day??? HIS HOLY SPIRIT BEING POURED OUT ON ALL FLESH ever since that first day of PENTECOST but now more then ever during this GENERATION. and age of CHRIST JESUS AND HIS ASCENTION TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER FROM WHOM HE WAS SENT IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOT TO MENTION THE MIDDLE EAST PROBLEMS THAT WAS ACTUALLY BEGAN 9/11/01 BECAUSE OF TO MUCH TALK AND NOT ENOUGH STIV CK TO LET THE ONES AGAINST ISRAEL AND ALL THAT STAND WITH HER WHAT IS TO BE DONE. SO the TERROIST AND THE EVIL WICKEDNESS OF ESAU BROTHER OF JACOB HAS NOW THOUGHT THEY ARE SO POWERFUL THAT THEY CAN OVERTHROW HIS BROTHER ISRAEL AND ALL THE OTHER BROTHERS ALSO... SORRY NEVER HAPPEN. HITLER ALREADY TRIED IT WON'T HAPPEN. EVIL AND WICKEDNESS IS ABOUT TO FIND OUT THAT they too MUST KNEE AND BOW TO OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN.. THE FATHER OF ALL NATIONS.. (PEOPLES) FROM THE VERY FOUNDATIONS OF THIS WORLD AND EARTH..

FOR MY GOD , MY LORD, MY KING, HAS ALREADY HAD IT WRITTEN SAID AND ORDAINED IT. THE EARTH IS HIS AND THE FULNESS AND ALL THAT DWELL ON IT!!!!! ONE SHOULD NEVER DOUBT THE ONE LORD AND SAVIOR OF HIS CHILDREN THE PEOPLE THAT DENIED HIM RIGHT FROM THE START....

HE HAS ALREADY SAID HE will not STRIVE WITH MAN FOREVER. NO HE WILL NOT. BUT THANK GOD ALMIGHTY HE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HE IS DOING . FOR MEN HAVE NO IDEA AT ALL what to do about the evilness that prevails this day and has for so long all because they have forgotten WHO THEIR LORD THY GOD IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THANK GOD HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN WHOM I AM OF NOR HAVE I FORGOTTEN FROM WHERE. I KNOW WHO'S REPORT I BELIEVE IN. IT IS THAT GOSPEL OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THE WORD OF GOD THAT I CONFESS AS JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER CREATOR OF ALL THINGS IN HEAVEN AND ON THIS EARTH AND UNDER THE EARTH...

IF THE DEAD DO NOT RISE THEN CHRIST DID NOT AND WE AS THE CHILDREN OF GOD MAKE HIM A LIAR AND GOD IS NOT A MAN TO LIE NOR A MAN TO REPENT.. THIS HAS ALSO BEEN WRITTEN ALONG WITH MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HE HAS LEFT FOR US ALL TO LIVE BY. IF WE HAVE NOT LOVE OF J HIM AND KNOW HIM . THEN WE KNOW NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING AND THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING!!!!!!! IT IS ONLY THE LIVING THAT AREALIVE IN CHRIST JESUS THAT KNOW THE FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY THAT HAS GIVEN MAN KIND LIFE RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING..

DOERS THE HEAVENLY FATHER EXPECT US TO STAY WITH AN UNLOVING MATE NO!!!!!! and any mate that is NOT WILLING TO LOVE AND BE FAITHFUL is not worth having as a mate anyway. IT IS JUST THAT WE ARE CHILDREN AND CHILDREN ARE REALLY STUPID AT TIMES BUT MOST OF ALL CHILDREN NEVER LISTEN TO THE RULES OF THE FATHER THAT GAVE THEM LIFE TO BEGIN WITH.. I THANK GOD FOR THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST AND I THANK MY GOD FOR HIS LOVE MERCY AND GRACE. BUT GRACE WAS NOT MEANT TO GIVE US LICENSE TO SIN ONCE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT SIN IS.. AND WE HAVENO EXCUSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT SIN IS . IT IS THE DISOBEDIENCE TO HIM AND HIS LAW OF LOVE. HOW CAN YOU LOVE ANYONE AT ALL if you have not first learned the LOVE OF GOD and what HIS LOVE HAS DONE for you. JOHN 3;16: THE VERSE SO MANY DIS REGARD AS just a MYTH. and not to be believed because IT is written in a BOOK THAT IS ONLY PART OF HIS BOOK HE HAS HAD WRITEN FOR ALL THAT FEAR THE LORD.. I WAS ON HIS MIND while HE WAS ON THE CROSS.. I HAVE BEEN TO THE FROSS I GOT PAST THRU THE BLOOD A LONG TIME AGO I DO NOT EVEN REMEMBER.. BUT I HAVEHEARD A WORD.. and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD and that WORD WAS IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE ONLY LORD WORD AND WAY TO FROM WHERE I HAVE COME FROM. AND W HERE IS THAT??? WELL I AM THE LORD'S.. AND NONE CAN REMOVE ME OUT OF HIS HAND. ANYMORE THEN HITLER OR ANOTHER WILL DESTROY ISRAEL.... FOR ISRAEL IS THE SEED OF ABRAHAM> and IF GOD IS NOT THE HEAVENLY FATHER THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING THEN ISRAEL DOES NOT EXIST THIS DAY AND WE ALL HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF ISRAEL AND THE BLOOD AND THE SPIRIT BAPTISM IS BEING POURED OUT ON ALL FLESH IN THIS GENERATIONAL AGE.. THE TIME OF GOD'S JUDGMENT IS HERE ... BEEN FIVE YEARS since THE TW OWERS OF the WORLD TRADE CENTER CAME TUMBLING DOWN... BECAUSE TO LONG OUR GOVERNING OFFICIALS IGNORED THE SIGNS OF THE THREAT OF THE WICKEDNESS AND EVIL THAT WAS .. OUR PRESIDENT BUSH WAS CORRECT. THIS WAR IS AGAINST EVIL WICKED MEN THAT HAVE NO REGARD FOR ISRAEL OR AMERICAOR ANY CIVILIZED PEOPLE OF THE LORD THY GOD AND THE SEED OF ABRAHAM THE GOD OF ABRAHAEM ISAAC AND JACOB . AND JACOB WAS RENAMED ISRAEL and TO THIS DAY WE KNOW ISRAEL WAS BROUGHT OUT OF CAPTIVITY BY MOSES BUT THE REALITY IS BY THE HAND OF GOD ALMIGHTY> OUT OF THE LAND WHERE JACOB HAD BEEN TAKEN BECAUSE OF HIS DREAMS GOD HAD SHOWN HIM AND HE TOLD HIS BROTHERS> THERE IS MUCH MOE THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF REMEMBERANCE THE LORD HAS HAD WRITTEN FOR US TIME WE WOKE UP AND PRAYED FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM< AND FOR OUR OFFICIALS< AND FORGIVE OURSELVES FOR BEING SUCH DISOBEDIENT CHILDREN OF GOD ALMIGHTY OUR LORD AND SAVIOR . THE KING.......... FOR IF THESE DAYS ARE NOT CUT SHORT no man shall remain. YET ISRAEL will never be destroyed. so we now the REMNANT will survive. THERE IS A PLACE in THE CELESTIAL HEAVEN ABOVE. I HAVENEVER KNOWN IF there are EIGHT ... IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW HUH???

THERE IS A FIRE BURNING ON THE WEST COAST, and we have FIRES BURNING IN THE EAST IF THESE TWO FIRES SHOULD MERGE CALL IT DONE AND the REMNANT WILL HAVE SEEN IT ALL FROM HEAVEN .. ABOVE THIS EARTH THAT IS the FOOTSTOOL OF OUR LORD GOD.. IS the FOOTSTOOL SO FILTHY AND SO SOILED and so DIRTY THAT IT IS NOT WORTH SAVING ANYMORE?????? HAS GOD FINALLY DECIDED FOR A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH TO BE MADE?? AND BRING HIS NEW HEAVEN DOWN FROM ABOVE.. I DO NOT BELEVE GOD WILL THROW OUT THE FOOTSTOOL .. THAT WOULD BE PITCHING OUT ALL HE HAS CREATED BECAUSE NO FOOTSTOOL EVEN THE REMNAT COULD COME BACK EVER TO THE EARTH WHERE ONLY MANKIND OF FLESH AND BLOOD CAN SURVIVE.. GOD CREATEDTHIS EARTH IT IS HIS NOT TO BE DESTROYED FOREVER . BUT IT IS HIS FOREVER.. BETTER BE REMEMBERING THIS TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND LET YOU CHILDREN KNOW WHAT GOD'S TRUTH IS..............FOR IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THEY HAVE MUCH COMING TO THEM THAT THEY SHALL HAVE TO BE READY FOR... OUR GRANDPARENTS AND PARENTS HAD wwI and wwII they shall have wwIII to face and maybe alot sooner then anyof us thought or are ready for..

"Kings and kingdoms pass away but My word shall never pass away." sayeth the LORD.

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. PSALM OLD TESTAMENT

And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Zech OLD TESTAMENT

Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?ACTS NEW TESTAMENT

Revelation 9;1:-21: Revelation 14;1:-13:

But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.

Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.



HAVE you done the WORK of GOD??? NONE OF US HAS REALLY. BUT IT is NOT to late.. LATE IS IF YOU DIE before RECIEVING HIS TRUTH, HIS WAY, AND HIS WAY IS THE ONLY WAY. THAT IS BELIEF IN THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON HE HAS GIVEN AND HAS RISEN AND GIVEN ALL AUTORITY TO. WE WHOM HAVE BELIEVED CALL HIM JESUS THE CHRIST. Lord and SAVIOR. MATTHEW 28;18:.


Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I had a friend, a conservative Christian evangelist, who taught that for Christians, the only allowable reason to get a divorce, is for adultery.

[Jesus said,"]It was said, 'Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce'; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. ["]

If a Christian is divorced for any other reason, then in the eyes of God, it is not a properly constituted divorce. Since it is not a divorce, then the Christian who is not properly divorced is still married to his or her previous spouse and therefore not free to remarry.
So, if Jack divorces Jill, for a reason other than adultery, and subsequently marries Julianna, he is committing adultery with Julianna. He must separate from Julianna, treat her as a sister, until such time as he can divorce Jill for her adultery. If Jill has not remarried, or otherwise committed adultery, Jack is out of luck. Jesus told an adulterer to sin no more.
This is a particularly harsh teaching, but Jesus did not promise that repentance would always be an easy thing.
I have searched the New Testament for some other point of view, but it seems to me that this is the consistent application of teaching of Jesus.

Does anyone have any other Biblical teaching on this topic? Does Jesus allow remarriage for his followers in cases other than unchastity?