Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater?
Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater? Am I talking about a white Christian male who is the typical target of this Granfalloon technique of propaganda? No, I am speaking about the racist, xenophobic, and intolerant hater who promotes the propaganda of the melting pot. What? How could that be? The pro-melting pot people are the defenders against racism, xenophobia, intolerance and hate. Actually, they are not. They are defenders of the propaganda of conformity. And like all good propagandists they accuse their opponents of the very crimes the propagandist wants to commit.
“Propaganda by its very nature is an enterprise for perverting the significance of events
and of insinuating false intentions. There are two salient aspects of this fact. First of all, the
propagandist must insist on the purity of his own intentions and, at the same time, hurl accusations
at his enemy. But the accusation is never made haphazardly or groundlessly (9). The propagandist
will not accuse the enemy of just any misdeed; he will accuse him of the very intention that he
himself has and of trying to commit the very crime that he himself is about to commit. He who
wants to provoke war not only proclaims his own peaceful intentions but also accuses the other party
of provocation. He who uses concentration camps accuses his neighbor of doing so. He who intends
to establish a dictatorship always insists that his adversaries are bent on dictatorship. The accusation
aimed at the other's intentions clearly reveals the intentions of the accuser. But the public cannot see
this because the revelation is interwoven with facts. The mechanism used here is to slip from the facts,
which would demand factual judgment, to moral terrain and to ethical judgment. (9) Because political
problems are difficult and often confusing,and their significance and their import not obvious,the propagandist can easily present them in moral language – and here we leave the realm of fact, to enter
into that of passion. Facts, then, come to be discussed in the language of indignation, a tone which
is almost always the mark of propaganda.”
Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 58. (emphasis added)
All one has to do is look at the definitions of the words: “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerance” and “hater” and you will see each of the words are generic. You will notice that not a single definition includes the words “white,” “Christian,” or “male.”
Racist adj
1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks."
2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion.
Racist n : a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.
Xenophobe n. A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially
of strangers or foreign peoples.
Intolerance n.
1: impatience with annoyances; "his intolerance of interruptions."
2: unwillingness to recognize and respect differences in opinions or beliefs [ant: tolerance].
Hater n : a person who hates.
Since the words are generic the words listed can just as easily be used to describe the promoters of the melting pot.
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However, by an appeal to tradition, they are used against anyone, (specifically against white, Christian males) who would speak against the propaganda of the melting pot. So what is the melting pot?
Melting pot n.
1: an environment in which many ideas and races are socially assimilated.
2: a vessel made of material that does not melt easily; used for high temperature chemical reactions
[syn: crucible].
Melting pot n.
1 a : a place where racial amalgamation and social and cultural assimilation are going on
b : the population of such a place.
2 : a process of blending that often results in invigoration or novelty.
Amalgamate trans. verb: to unite in or as if in an amalgam; especially: to merge into a single body. synonym see MIX.
Assimilate v.
1 : to take in and appropriate as nourishment : absorb into the system.
2 : to absorb into the cultural tradition of a population or group
<the community assimilated many immigrants> assimilate.
Assimilate intrans. v.
1 : to become absorbed or incorporated into the system. <some foods
assimilate more readily than others>
2 : to become culturally assimilated.
From the definitions you can see that the melting pot is a social experiment in which pure or impure races/cultures are brought together and merged into a single body of race and culture. So given the right amount of time, the end result of the melting pot is the destruction of the original unique races and cultures to make a new amalgamated race and culture. (Do sugar and butter maintain their original shape, structure and consistency in a melting pot? Answer: No!) Those failing to conform to the assimilation and amalgamation propaganda program are labeled “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” and “hater” since they are resistant to the “heat” (social norms) of the melting pot.
“In contrast to this propaganda of agitation is the propaganda of integration – the propaganda
of developed nations and characteristics of our civilization; in fact it did not exist before the
twentieth century. It is a propaganda of conformity. It is related to the fact, analyzed earlier, that in Western society it is not longer sufficient to obtain a transitory political act (such as a vote); one needs
total adherence to a society's truths and behavioral patterns. As the more perfectly uniform the society,
the stronger its power and effectiveness, each member should be only an organic and functional
fragment of it, perfectly adapted and integrated. He must share the stereotypes, beliefs and reactions
of the group; he must be an active participant in its economic, ethical, esthetic, and political doings. All
his activities, all his sentiments are dependent on this collectivity. And, as he is often reminded, he can
only fulfill himself only through this collectivity, as a member of the group.(6) Propaganda of
integration thus aims at making the individual participate in his society in every way. It is a
long-term propaganda, a self-reproducing propaganda that seeks to obtain stable behavior, to adapt the individual to his everyday life, to reshape his thoughts and behavior in terms of the permanent
social setting. We can see that this propaganda is more extensive and complex than propaganda of
agitation. It must be permanent, for the individual can no longer be left to himself. (6) This is one of
the points common to all American works on micro-sociology.”
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Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 74-75.
(emphasis added)
So in reality the pro-melting pot propagandists are actually the “racists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.
If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the
world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the
world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not
greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they have kept My saying, they will also keep yours. John 15:18-20
I have given them Your Word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even
as I am not of the world. I do not pray for You to take them out of the world, but for You to keep them
from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowshipdoes righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ
have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does
a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell
in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Therefore come
out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6 14-18
When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land where you go to possess it, and has cast out
many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and
the Perizzites,and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and the
Lord your God shall deliver them before you, you shall crush them, completely destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor shall you make marriages with them. You
shall not give your daughter to his son, nor shall you take his daughter to your son. For they will turn
away your son from following Me, so that they may serve other gods. Deuteronomy 7:1-5
For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more these being according to nature will be grafted into their own olive-tree?
Romans 11:24
As stated before the melting pot is a propaganda of conformity. In order to insure conformity the individuals who resist conformity must be vilified and dehumanized. So they are labeled “racists”, ”white supremists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters.” This is accomplished by the Granfalloon technique of propaganda:
'What makes the Granfalloon tick? Researchers have uncovered two basic psychological processes, one cognitive and one motivational. First, the knowledge that “I am part in this group” is used to divide up
and make sense of the world, much in the same way that words and labels can be used to pre-persuade
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(see Chapter 6). Differences between groups are exaggerated, whereas similarities among members of
the granfalloon are emphasized in the secure knowledge that “this is what our type does.” One serious consequence is that the out-group members are dehumanized; they are represented in our minds by a simple, often derogatory label – gook, jap, redneck, southerner, kike, nigger – as opposed to unique individuals – Nguyen, Susumu, Anthony, Elliot, Doug. It is a lot easier to abuse an abstraction. Second, social groups are a source of self-esteem and pride, a form of reverse Groucho Marx - “I'd be more than happy to join a club that would have me as a member.”* To obtain the self esteem the group has to offer, members come to defend the group and adopt its symbols, rituals,and beliefs. Herein lies the secret to
the persuasiveness the granfalloon. If the professional persuader, the advertiser, the politician, the televangelist can get us to accept his or her granfalloons, then we have a ready-made way to make
sense of our lives – the propagandist's way – and as our self-esteem becomes increasingly linked to
these groups, we have a strong motivation to defend the group and to go to great lengths proudly to
adopt its customs. What the propagandist is really saying is: “You are on my side (never mind
that I created the teams); now act like it and do what we say.”'
Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot. “Age of Propaganda: The Everyday Use and Abuse of Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 217. (emphasis added)
So remember the next time someone accuses you of being a “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” or “hater” don't be a victim of their propaganda. Tell that propagandist that it is they who are the “racist”, “xenophobe”, “intolerant” or “hater” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.
“And Peter and the apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.”
Acts 5:29
Here are some questions to ponder:
1. How can you have diversity without diverse races and cultures being separate?
2. How can you have diverse and unique races by interracial marriage?
3. Why does a racist, xenophobic, and intolerant God hater have to re-define the word "diverse" which means separate to promote the melting pot term "diversity" which means the opposite?
diverse adj.
1. Differing one from another.
2. Made up of distinct characteristics, qualities, or elements: “Prague... offers visitors a series of excursions
into a rich and diverse past” (Olivier Bernier).
Caveat: Don't be alarmed or upset if no Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant God Hater wants to listen to you and give up their belief in the melting pot. Why?
For action makes propaganda's effect irreversible.(3) He who acts in obedience to propaganda
can never go back. He is now obligated to believe in the propaganda because of his past action.
He is obligated to believe from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem
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to him absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obligated to continue to advance in the
direction indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action. He is what one calls committed –
which is certainly what the Communist party anticipates, for example, and what the Nazis accomplished.
Jaques Ellul, “Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes” (New York: 1973) Page 29.(emphasis added)
Canon found that, as one's confidence is weakened, a person becomes less prone to listen to
arguments against his or her beliefs. Thus the very people you want to convince and whose
opinions might be the most susceptible to be changed are the ones lest likely to continue to expose themselves to a communication designed for that purpose. Information campaigns frequently fail to
change attitudes, a fact of life persuasive life that was observed by Herbert Hyman and Paul Sheatsley
as far back as 1947. (2) In explaining the frequent failure of information campaigns, Hyman and
Sheatsley noted that people tend to acquire information mostly about things that they find of interest
and tend to avoid information that does not agree with their beliefs. Should someone find that they
have been unavoidably exposed to uninteresting and disagreeable information, a common
response is to distort and reinterpret that information, thus ignoring its implications for updating beliefs and attitudes.
Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of
Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 281-282. (emphasis added)
There are at lest four ways in which the members of an audience can reduce their discomfort: (1) They
can change their opinion; (2) they can induce the communicator to change his or her opinion; (3) they
can seek support for their original opinion by finding other people who share their views, in spite of what
the communicator says; or (4) they can derogate the communication – convince themselves the communicator is stupid or immoral – and thereby invalidate the person's opinion.
Pratkanis, Anthony and Aronson, Elliot.“Age of Propaganda": The Everyday Use and Abuse of
Persuasion” (New York: 2001) Page 192. (emphasis added)
"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love
of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
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Are You Still A Racist, Xenophobic, and Intolerant Hater?
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Yawn. . . . .Wyvern wrote:So nice of you to describe yourself. Please come back when you actually want to DEBATE something. Coherent writing would help a bit also.Can't read, can't discuss but can rant. . . . . go figure. . . .
Prov 26:16 The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.
Some Jews are also critical of the political and religious motives of Christian Zionists. For example, Josh Ruebner, the cofounder of Jews for Peace in Palestine and Israel, a Washington-based group committed to establishing a Palestinian state as the means to obtain lasting peace in the region, called the alliance between Israel and the Christian Coalition “repugnant.” 'Most of the right-wing elements which make up the Christian Coalition are truly anti-semitic at heart. These are people who believe that Jewish souls cannot go to heaven and that Jews will have to be converted before the end of days.”(48) James Rudin, the interreligious affairs director of the American Jewish Committee, pointed out that “some of the very same people who are the most supportive of the state of Israel and its security and well-being don't see Judaism as a full and valid religion. It's like 'Israel si, Jews no.'” Rudin believes that his fellow Jews should be more selective about the kinds of support they are willing to accept. “Many American Jews will say: 'Any port in a storm. If they support Israel . . . don't worry about the apocalypse.'”(49)
Timothy P. Weber, “On the Road to Armageddon: How Evangelicals Became Israel's Best Friend” (Grand Rapids: 2004) Page 230-231.
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Racist, xenophobe...I will leave decisions on that to people who actually know me...as for 'god hater'...how can one hate something thta does not exist.Shamgar wrote:
How ironic coming from someone who is a racist, xenophobe and an intolerant God hater. . . .
Evidence of non existence???? It is all around you.Shamgar wrote: I wonder if he has has any scientific evidence which he used to reach a "valid" conclusion in his faith in the belief that God does not exist (atheist: a = No theist = God)?
You do that a lot.Shamgar wrote: hahahahaaa
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Shamgar, I have to wonder (although I dare not expect an answer)- just what is your purpose in being here?
To engage in fruitful debate is, quite obviously, out of the question.
To convince other's of your convictions is likewise inapplicable, as your focus is trained much on belittlement rather than pursuasion.
I can only assume that you come here (as you have on a number of other sites) to engage in the hearty sport of trolling. Seems like an incredible waste of time to me, but to each his own, I suppose.
I have briefly considered firing my replies off in a demeanor similar to your own, but of course, that would be rather pointless, considering the nature of your sport.
Although not even bothering an answer was amoung considerations, I think I will carry on in much the same manner. Perhaps we can actually get somewhere, on the off-chance that ego-inflation is not your only aim. Besides, this issue rather intriques me. Certainly a viewpoint you do not come across very often.
Anywho...
Rom 13:1-2
Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn't been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God. Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves.
It does not seem like you are in any place to be questioning the tenants of our democracy. In fact, here you are explicitly commanded to obey them. This verse re-inforces what I had said; that God has established America the way it is for his own reasons.
Whoever resists the government opposes what God has established.
In this light, God rather seems to favor democracy and equal rights. Given the nature of this verse, why would He allow America to sustain in these supposed "evils"?
Mind, philosophically, I am quite anti-patriotism, and even hate America on a number of contemporary issues. These founding tenants however (yes, the ones God has personally established), I find to be quite beneficial to society, as can be seen by the various successes of the many nations who have adopted them (a list of which I provided earlier).
The Deuteronomy verse you have cited is also quite interesting.
Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.
In regard to contemporary times, God does not seem to be choosing kings for us any more, does he?
Consequently, it seems our only option is to let God's will be done through a nations particular constituents.
Democracy is the only viable solution.
To do unto others as they would have them do unto you?
To be gentle unto all men?
Such verses seem to suggest that seperating all races is would not be much of a benefit to mankind.
Rom 15:7
Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
Jam 3:17
However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure. Then it is peaceful, gentle, obedient, filled with mercy and good deeds, impartial, and sincere.
1Ti 5:21
I solemnly call on you in the sight of God, Christ Jesus, and the chosen angels to be impartial when you follow what I've told you. Never play favorites.
Equal rights and tolerance. Christ did not discern between race, color, gender, or background. In fact, his followers and apostles spaned a rather diverse range; the poor and the rich, the righteous and unrighteous, men and women, Jews and gentiles.
If we are to be peaceful and impartial as requested by Christ, it would make sense not to divide into warring ethnic sects. Jesus gathered a wide variety of people to serve as his disciples. The Bible seems to favor some form of peaceful assimilation.
I have never heard a Zionist platform such as this. From what reliable source may I glean these claims? What is this book you speak of?
The evidence seems to point against any strong contemporary Zionist movement. There are absolutely no current Christian occupations of Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordon. While the US may be involved in Iraq (for completely different reasons than you claim, as I keep stressing), there is no inclination of any form of annexation. As it stands, Isreal is the only real "Zionist" land, and even there there is strong talk of freeing up more land for Muslim Pakistan.
Mar 13:10
the Good News must be spread to all nations.
Wouldn't this include Muslim nations?
The "Zionists" play a very small part in this ideological battle. There were wars long before between the Mesopotamian nations, and later involving nations to the east and north, including Greece.
Cultural differences are the sole factor fueling these ongoing battles. Nothing a little peaceful conglomeration couldn't cure...
As I remember, the Bible was quite fond of aiding the poor...
Tit 3:2
speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Jam 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Let no man therefore despise another: but conduct him forth in peace
To engage in fruitful debate is, quite obviously, out of the question.
To convince other's of your convictions is likewise inapplicable, as your focus is trained much on belittlement rather than pursuasion.
I can only assume that you come here (as you have on a number of other sites) to engage in the hearty sport of trolling. Seems like an incredible waste of time to me, but to each his own, I suppose.
I have briefly considered firing my replies off in a demeanor similar to your own, but of course, that would be rather pointless, considering the nature of your sport.
Although not even bothering an answer was amoung considerations, I think I will carry on in much the same manner. Perhaps we can actually get somewhere, on the off-chance that ego-inflation is not your only aim. Besides, this issue rather intriques me. Certainly a viewpoint you do not come across very often.
Anywho...
Romans 13:1-17, an interesting choice.The Bible provides no scriptural authority on any political matter. If not democracy, what sort of political ideology do you think the Bible suggests we employ?
Wrong. . . . . Romans 13:1-17, Deut 17:14-20
Rom 13:1-2
Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn't been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God. Therefore, whoever resists the government opposes what God has established. Those who resist will bring punishment on themselves.
It does not seem like you are in any place to be questioning the tenants of our democracy. In fact, here you are explicitly commanded to obey them. This verse re-inforces what I had said; that God has established America the way it is for his own reasons.
Whoever resists the government opposes what God has established.
In this light, God rather seems to favor democracy and equal rights. Given the nature of this verse, why would He allow America to sustain in these supposed "evils"?
Mind, philosophically, I am quite anti-patriotism, and even hate America on a number of contemporary issues. These founding tenants however (yes, the ones God has personally established), I find to be quite beneficial to society, as can be seen by the various successes of the many nations who have adopted them (a list of which I provided earlier).
The Deuteronomy verse you have cited is also quite interesting.
Thou shalt in any wise set [him] king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: [one] from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which [is] not thy brother.
In regard to contemporary times, God does not seem to be choosing kings for us any more, does he?
Consequently, it seems our only option is to let God's will be done through a nations particular constituents.
Democracy is the only viable solution.
To love your neighbor as you love yourself?Matt 19:19
Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
hahahahaha the babble of someone with no discernment of Scriptures. . . . as I don't see
the concept of assimilation and amalgamation in that verse or the other verses. . . .
To do unto others as they would have them do unto you?
To be gentle unto all men?
Such verses seem to suggest that seperating all races is would not be much of a benefit to mankind.
Rom 15:7
Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ also received us to the glory of God.
Jam 3:17
However, the wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure. Then it is peaceful, gentle, obedient, filled with mercy and good deeds, impartial, and sincere.
1Ti 5:21
I solemnly call on you in the sight of God, Christ Jesus, and the chosen angels to be impartial when you follow what I've told you. Never play favorites.
Equal rights and tolerance. Christ did not discern between race, color, gender, or background. In fact, his followers and apostles spaned a rather diverse range; the poor and the rich, the righteous and unrighteous, men and women, Jews and gentiles.
If we are to be peaceful and impartial as requested by Christ, it would make sense not to divide into warring ethnic sects. Jesus gathered a wide variety of people to serve as his disciples. The Bible seems to favor some form of peaceful assimilation.
You have been priding yourself on the evidence you provide. Why did you abstain here?Wrong again. . . (Hey you are batting 1000). . . .as the zionists claim part of Egypt, Lebannon, Jordan as Israel proper. . .and the the zionist were quoted from their own diaries in the book mentioned so they had designs on Iraq also. . . .
I have never heard a Zionist platform such as this. From what reliable source may I glean these claims? What is this book you speak of?
The evidence seems to point against any strong contemporary Zionist movement. There are absolutely no current Christian occupations of Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordon. While the US may be involved in Iraq (for completely different reasons than you claim, as I keep stressing), there is no inclination of any form of annexation. As it stands, Isreal is the only real "Zionist" land, and even there there is strong talk of freeing up more land for Muslim Pakistan.
How do you mantain the Biblical doctrine of evangelization whilst proclaiming non-assimilation? Does Jesus not explicitly command Christians to spread the good news?all the benefits God listed for being walled off. . . .
Mar 13:10
the Good News must be spread to all nations.
Wouldn't this include Muslim nations?
No, there has never been peace in these regions. Even before the very advent of the Christian and Muslim religions there was cultural tension between the East and West (the west, in this case, being Europe, as the Americas had yet to be discovered).Yeah I can see there was peace between the west and the east before the zionist moved into the region. . . .and now there isn't. . . .and I can see that when there was isolation between the cultures there was peace. .
The "Zionists" play a very small part in this ideological battle. There were wars long before between the Mesopotamian nations, and later involving nations to the east and north, including Greece.
Cultural differences are the sole factor fueling these ongoing battles. Nothing a little peaceful conglomeration couldn't cure...
Although I essentially remain a socialist, certain capitalistic principles have definetly proven effective at bringing production to unemployed and malnourished nations of the earth.hahahaha more pseudo-relgious garbage from a lover of money. . . .capitalist . .aka a lover of money. . .
As I remember, the Bible was quite fond of aiding the poor...
Speaking of following God's law, here are some verses that I see you could benefit from:I prefer following God's law unlike you. . . .
Tit 3:2
speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Jam 3:17
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
1Co 16:11
Let no man therefore despise another: but conduct him forth in peace
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You are quite right. Pull a random sentence from his initial post, and Google it. This is not the first board he's hit with this tripe.The Persnickety Platypus wrote:Shamgar, I have to wonder (although I dare not expect an answer)- just what is your purpose in being here? To engage in fruitful debate is, quite obviously, out of the question.
Post #25
Why is this? Why is the United States asserting it's politics in the Middle East? Why the sudden clashing of cultures? Why the recent spurts of terrorism? What is at the center of this entire struggle? O I L
Wrong. . . . "Christtian" Zionism invaded the region long before oil was ever discovered. And Iraq was in the jew's gun sights well in the 1940's.
If Mohammad would have had a gun, then everyone not Muslim would have never left those gunsights; as ancient and current history proves. Christian Zionism is only as recent as the 1800's. Muslim hordes had by that time slaughtered and conquered their way through country after country, since Mohammad started that form of spreading his religion of peace.
Post #26
Yes very obvious your avoidance of your obvious hypocrisy. . . your intolerance and xenophobia to Christians . . . . . and your hatred of Christians spews from your black heart out your mouth. . . .they only thing that does not exist is the scientific evidence which you used to reach a valid conclusion to support your faith in the belief that God does not exist (A=No Theist= God). . . .bernee51 wrote:Racist, xenophobe...I will leave decisions on that to people who actually know me...as for 'god hater'...how can one hate something thta does not exist.
Luke 6: 45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh
So in reality the pro-melting pot propagandists are actually the “racists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.
If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they have kept My saying, they will also keep yours. John 15:18-20
I have given them Your Word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray for You to take them out of the world, but for You to keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. John 17:14-16
Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowshipdoes righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light have with darkness? And what agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what part does a believer have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." Therefore come
out from among them and be separated, says the Lord, and do not touch the unclean thing. And I will receive you and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.
2 Corinthians 6 14-18
When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land where you go to possess it, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites,and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, and the Lord your God shall deliver them before you, you shall crush them, completely destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to his son, nor shall you take his daughter to your son. For they will turn away your son from following Me, so that they may serve other gods. Deuteronomy 7:1-5
For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree; how much more these being according to nature will be grafted into their own olive-tree?
Romans 11:24
Evidence of non existence???? It is all around you.[/quote]Shamgar wrote: I wonder if he has has any scientific evidence which he used to reach a "valid" conclusion in his faith in the belief that God does not exist (atheist: a = No theist = God)?
See how silly the atheist (aka fool Psalms 14:1)is since the evidence of God is all around but not the scientific evidence that God does not exist. . . .
Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
You do that a lot.[/quote]Shamgar wrote: hahahahaaa
the kettle calling the pot black. . . . yawn. . .
Post #27
And my hypocrisy is demonstrated how?Shamgar wrote: Yes very obvious your avoidance of your obvious hypocrisy. . .
My posts here would show just the opposite...however, bigots I treat with disdainShamgar wrote: your intolerance and xenophobia to Christians . . .
Trying to be poetic does not make what you say any more valid. Where have I shown hatred towards christians?Shamgar wrote: . . and your hatred of Christians spews from your black heart out your mouth. . .
Funny... I say the same thing about those who claim scientific evidence of the existence of god. To that point I have yet to find a tehisat who can clearly define the god they believe in. Can you?Shamgar wrote: .they only thing that does not exist is the scientific evidence which you used to reach a valid conclusion to support your faith in the belief that God does not exist (A=No Theist= God). . . .
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
Post #28
1. There is the human race - all else is your perception. Describe a pure race or culture?Shamgar wrote:So in reality the pro-melting pot propagandists are actually the “racists”, “xenophobes”, “intolerant” and “haters” since they:
1.Believe mixed races are superior to pure races and cultures.
2.Are fearful of the teachings and zealots that promote pure races, religions, and cultures.
3.They are intolerant to beliefs that do not embrace the melting pot.
4.And they hate those zealots who follow the teachings of God. God spoke against amalgamation and assimilation of race and culture.
2.I fear not...
3. Tolerance (i.e. self denial) is the driving force of the evolution of community
4. I hate no one, I hold in disdain bigots and confabulators
I see no evidence of god. What you call evidence I call 'being'.Shamgar wrote:See how silly the atheist (aka fool Psalms 14:1)is since the evidence of God is all around but not the scientific evidence that God does not exist. . . .Shamgar wrote:Evidence of non existence???? It is all around you.Shamgar wrote: I wonder if he has has any scientific evidence which he used to reach a "valid" conclusion in his faith in the belief that God does not exist (atheist: a = No theist = God)?
Your non-sequitors make as much sense as the pap you post.Shamgar wrote:the kettle calling the pot black. . . . yawn. . .Shamgar wrote:You do that a lot.Shamgar wrote: hahahahaaa
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
William James quoting Dr. Hodgson
"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
Nisargadatta Maharaj
Post #30
Clarification. . .psuedo-Christain. . member of a cult. . . .the cult of "Christain" zionists. . . .tselem wrote:As a Christian, you have my support on this point.bernee51 wrote:My posts here would show just the opposite...Shamgar wrote:your intolerance and xenophobia to Christians . . .
Whether we agree or disagree with it, the goal of Jewish Zionism has been to bring Jews from their diaspora into Israel so that they might find a safe haven and live in security and peace. Yet frankly speaking the goal of Christian Zionism, according to their scenario of the End, is to bring Jewish people to Israel to be annihilated or converted to the Christian Faith. They believe that this would fulfill God's purpose in history and usher in the Second Coming of Christ. The relationship between Jewish and Christian Zionists, therefore, reflects a tragic hypocrisy. Each is using the other for its own purposes. Perceived in this light, Christian Zionism is the worst anti-semitism one can imagine.
Ateek, Naim, et al ed. “Challenging Christian Zionism: Theology, Politics, and the Israel-Palestine Conflict.” (Melisende: 2005) Page 17.