Obamacare...health care for everybody, really?

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Poll ended at Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:07 pm

Obamacare is just fine; let's fund it and let it run already
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9%
Obamacare is a step in the right direction; fund it and fix it later
6
55%
Obamacare is a disaster; fund it and watch it implode
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No votes
Obamacare is a disaster: defund it and fight it with everything possible
1
9%
Obamacare has a couple of good ideas. Scrap the program, take those ideas and start over
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27%
 
Total votes: 11

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Obamacare...health care for everybody, really?

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Some of you know that I have a problem; I haven't been all that shy. Frankly, it makes me mad as all get out.

Oh, not because I HAVE this condition, though frankly, I feel like I would have had better chances of winning the lottery.

I have Multiple Myeloma, stage II, 'high risk.'
It's an odd duck; cancer of the bone marrow. What makes it 'high risk,' is a chromosomal abnormality that doesn't mean good news for survival.

Now I'm actually blessed with great insurance, paid by my husband's retirement; Kaiser Permanente. Because of that, I had a doctor who saw that I was slightly anemic and sent me for some 'further tests.' Those 'further tests' ended up being a LOT of tests (including a bone marrow biopsy, which I recommend to the Spanish Inquisition, or the CIA...perhaps especially the CIA, since nobody could object to the government 'taking care of the prisoner's health') The verdict was, yup, I got this thing; 75% of my bone marrow was cancerous plasma cells.

The REALLY odd thing is that most people who have this don't find out until they have broken bones, kidney failure, dementia, liver failure....it's a nasty disease. Me? My bones are fine and so are my kidneys and liver.

No cracks about my mental capacity, please. ;)

I'm in GREAT health...except for the dying of cancer part.

This Friday I'm going in for a bone marrow transplant. I'll be in the City of Hope for two to three weeks, while they destroy my immune system and then 'reset' it, in hopes that this will put me into a good, long term remission. There's a really good chance that it will work, despite the 'high risk' thing, because they caught it before it did any damage to my bones and organs. It has been borne upon me that this is EXTREMELY rare, that someone with as an aggressive form of this condition as mine is gets caught this early. OK, I'll take that.

After all, this disease mostly affects African American men over 65. I am about as lily white a redheaded blue eyed female as you can find. Why in the world would they even LOOK for something like this?

Now, why this longwinded introduction, she asks?
I'll tell you.

In the normal course of events (pre-Obamacare) I would get the transplant, have the rest of the stem cells (that were collected from me last week) frozen and kept in reserve for another one...which I'm almost guaranteed to need, and if that doesn't work, I'd do a third, using donor cells from one of my sisters. I hope. Neither my age nor my life condition would affect this, because, well, I have Kaiser and I would transfer that to a 'Senior Advantage' Kaiser membership next August. All done. Good thing, because I'm going to be taking extremely expensive medication (as in, $2000 per pill) for the rest of my life.

If I had NOT had good insurance, the City of Hope and the pharmaceutical companies that make the novel drugs for this have all sorts of programs: once you have Multiple Myeloma, you get the care. All you have to do is get to a facility that specializes in it.


I have been told, however, and I have since confirmed this, that if Obamacare gets through as written, this will no longer be true. For one thing, there will be no possibility of a donor transplant, (which is the only hope for an outright cure) the most effective medication won't be available , and it's highly possible that I won't be offered even the second transplant using my OWN stem cells. My prognosis, thanks to Obamacare, will go from a possible ten to fifteen years down to two or three....because the decisions for my health care won't be mine or my doctor's. They will be made by committees according to guidelines, which will include the idea that no matter what, people over 70 won't get that sort of treatment.

It doesn't matter what my doctor says, or what my insurance company now pays for; the government will regulate this.

I'm OK now. Things are getting paid for.

But what about next year, when Obamacare takes me over?

Now me, I'm an example, and of course this is hitting home hard for me....but I'm hardly unique. I have been talking to a great many MM patients from all over the world, and the ones from 'universal health care' nations, like Canada, Australia and Great Britain do not do well. They are sicker and die sooner, and many of them don't even know that there are novel agents that can treat them; because THEIR healthcare won't provide them.

Those of you who know me know that I don't LIKE Obamacare. Now you know why.

So.....here's the topic for debate (and I'll participate for the next three days...). If you wanted to fix health care in this nation, how would YOU do it? Obviously Obamacare isn't going to work.

Remember: the object is to make certain that:
1. Those who need health care GET it...the best available, not just the least expensive.
2. The decisions regarding health care should be made by the patient and the doctor, not by some faceless bureaucrat looking at cost/benefit charts.
3. Nobody has to go bankrupt because of health care expenses.
4. Healthcare is delivered efficiently, with no long waiting times.
5. Health professionals get paid enough to justify the student loans, and have autonomy.
6. So do patients, in their ability to choose who provides them health care.


Obamacare does NONE of the above, btw.

Go.

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johnmarc wrote:
bluethread wrote:
Obama, Obama, spin, spin, spin
Have no money, Medicaid.
Have no money, what a shame
Please feel free to die in pain.

Other than ridicule and rhyme, what is a practical conservative solution to the problem?
bluethread wrote:
Obama, Obama, spin, spin, spin
Others double what they paid.
Without any factual real support
This claim is going up in smoke.

Provide some factual support for this assertion.
enjoy this divertissement
Sorry you don't read French, this is an entertaining interlude, ie. The Nutcracker in the form of a dreidel song.

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bluethread wrote:

...this is an entertaining interlude...
What is 'an entertaining interlude' to you is to others a sometimes life and death struggle against rapidly escalating private insurance costs and greater and greater numbers of exclusions. And the only serious attempt to bring healthcare to the poor and middle class is insulted as an entertaining interlude?

We all would be better served if the conservative party would spend as much time on healthcare solutions as they spend on derision.
Why posit intention when ignorance will suffice?

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johnmarc wrote:
bluethread wrote:

...this is an entertaining interlude...
What is 'an entertaining interlude' to you is to others a sometimes life and death struggle against rapidly escalating private insurance costs and greater and greater numbers of exclusions. And the only serious attempt to bring healthcare to the poor and middle class is insulted as an entertaining interlude?

We all would be better served if the conservative party would spend as much time on healthcare solutions as they spend on derision.
I gather you don't care much for John Stewart, Steven Colbert, Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, and all of those others of "the conservative party"?

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bluethread wrote:
johnmarc wrote:
bluethread wrote:

...this is an entertaining interlude...
What is 'an entertaining interlude' to you is to others a sometimes life and death struggle against rapidly escalating private insurance costs and greater and greater numbers of exclusions. And the only serious attempt to bring healthcare to the poor and middle class is insulted as an entertaining interlude?

We all would be better served if the conservative party would spend as much time on healthcare solutions as they spend on derision.
I gather you don't care much for John Stewart, Steven Colbert, Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, and all of those others of "the conservative party"?
I guess if I thought that any of these folks were poking fun at the vulnerable and the disadvantaged, I would be a little disheartened. But, as I understand it, they are poking fun at the very individuals and institutions that marginalize the unfortunate.

Your poem contains a glaring inaccuracy which I would not accept in any of these individuals either---and I see that you are not going to any pains to correct it. I would not accept inaccurate marginalization of the weak from anyone---or, in this case, more accurately stated---I would not accept inaccurate marginalization of programs to support the weak.

The common theme from the individuals that you mentioned is that they are in opposition to the 'establishment' and in support of the 'little guy' that Conservative Christians seem so willing to either step on or ignore entirely (in the best Good Samaritan kind of way, of course)
Why posit intention when ignorance will suffice?

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WinePusher wrote: You've made multiple false statements in this thread that you need to retract and/or apologize for.
List them.

For someone to call another an liar (someone who makes false statements) the least you could do is enumerate them.
Why posit intention when ignorance will suffice?

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johnmarc wrote:
bluethread wrote:
johnmarc wrote:
bluethread wrote:

...this is an entertaining interlude...
What is 'an entertaining interlude' to you is to others a sometimes life and death struggle against rapidly escalating private insurance costs and greater and greater numbers of exclusions. And the only serious attempt to bring healthcare to the poor and middle class is insulted as an entertaining interlude?

We all would be better served if the conservative party would spend as much time on healthcare solutions as they spend on derision.
I gather you don't care much for John Stewart, Steven Colbert, Bill Maher, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, and all of those others of "the conservative party"?
I guess if I thought that any of these folks were poking fun at the vulnerable and the disadvantaged, I would be a little disheartened. But, as I understand it, they are poking fun at the very individuals and institutions that marginalize the unfortunate.

Your poem contains a glaring inaccuracy which I would not accept in any of these individuals either---and I see that you are not going to any pains to correct it. I would not accept inaccurate marginalization of the weak from anyone---or, in this case, more accurately stated---I would not accept inaccurate marginalization of programs to support the weak.

The common theme from the individuals that you mentioned is that they are in opposition to the 'establishment' and in support of the 'little guy' that Conservative Christians seem so willing to either step on or ignore entirely (in the best Good Samaritan kind of way, of course)
So, you are saying that these people are funny, because they agree with you. Yet, when those of "the conservative party" find those that they agree with funny, you are offended. This is the point at which those of "the liberal party" often say, "Lighten up, it's just a joke." By the way, is anything said on this forum going to really effect this legislation anyway?

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bluethread wrote: By the way, is anything said on this forum going to really effect this legislation anyway?
You're right.

I can get a little sensitive on this issue because, while my wife and I have been comfortably insured for our entire lifetimes, our kids have not. Both are comfortably employed at this time (with insurance) but there were some decent stretches during the Great Recession where they were not. We were willing to foot the bill for insurance, but the premiums for individual policies were through the roof (vastly higher than our own premiums) and one son had ulcerative colitis at eighteen and was therefore uninsurable. We did decide to get one son's wife some coverage in the case of an unexpected pregnancy (which happened) and the co-pays were $5000.

But on a larger note. 100% of all of the words on this forum dissipate into thin air. Nothing to get worked up over. My apologies and thanks.
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WinePusher wrote: all you've done is write down irrelevant dribble

Give me a break, your argument is complete nonsense.
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WinePusher wrote:
...Whenever the government intervenes prices increase and quality decreases. Plain and simple.
johnmarc wrote:
This is an absolute---plain and simple. And it is simply wrong. Oftentimes prices do increase but sometimes quality increases as well (airbags?) Are school lunches more expensive due to government school lunch programs? These kinds of absolutes put you on the fringe of this conversation
Your response:
WinePusher wrote:
Public schools in general are failing because they are government run.
Your particular distaste for anything 'government' does not begin to support the assertion:
WinePusher wrote:
...Whenever the government intervenes prices increase and quality decreases. Plain and simple.
Your personal and unsupported OPINIONS are not credible evidence here or in any other objective conversation.



WinePusher wrote:
And why would I retract or apologize for a statement just because it hurts your feelings?
When my feelings are hurt, I will let you know. Right now I am just hugely entertained.
Why posit intention when ignorance will suffice?

WinePusher

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WinePusher wrote:Produce the quote where I said that I don't want or have health insurance or retract it.
johnmarc wrote:Thread: Socialized Medicine. Post 137.
PRODUCE THE QUOTE OR RETRACT IT.

We both you know can't. We both know you made it up. And, I doubt you'll do the honorable thing and retract your false, slanderous statement.

:lol:

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