Have Gays never been disenfranchised?

[McCulloch]

To quote Dr. ML King's daughter, no one is enslaving homosexuals...or making them sit in the back of the bus. Gays have never been disenfranchised as a group.

Have Gays never been disenfranchised?

[Ooberman]

It must really grind you to live in a majority Christian country that really does think prayer works, even Congress.

Always amusing when those who disbelieve in a personal God hate Him in a personal way.

Honestly, it stuns me that there is still superstitious thinking in this day and age, and adults carry on the fantasy in favor of more reasonable actions.

It's sad our species has superstitious residue from our less enlightened predecessors.

It's hard to get angry when you know it's not their fault for believing those things, or have the capacity (mental or otherwise) to break the spell.

I am of the belief that religionists are less intelligent, or, if intelligent, are apologists for personal gain. In a few rare cases, some people may actually believe their own dogma, but this seems to be a psychological issue, not philosophical.

[East of Eden]

It must really grind you to live in a majority Christian country that really does think prayer works, even Congress.

Always amusing when those who disbelieve in a personal God hate Him in a personal way.

Honestly, it stuns me that there is still superstitious thinking in this day and age, and adults carry on the fantasy in favor of more reasonable actions.

It's sad our species has superstitious residue from our less enlightened predecessors.

It's hard to get angry when you know it's not their fault for believing those things, or have the capacity (mental or otherwise) to break the spell.

I am of the belief that religionists are less intelligent, or, if intelligent, are apologists for personal gain. In a few rare cases, some people may actually believe their own dogma, but this seems to be a psychological issue, not philosophical.

Your statement is as non-sensical as if I were to say few atheists really believe their dogma, they just pretend to for personal gain. More proof that men will give up their rationality before they give up their rebellion against God.

[keithprosser3]

Your statement is as non-sensical as if I were to say few atheists really believe their dogma, they just pretend to for personal gain.

Actually, it isn't nearly as nonsensical. (one word unhyphenated). There simply aren't many false atheists doing it for the cash (although Dawlns was perhaps the world's first professional atheist - but then again there are millions of professional theists) but it demonstrable that religious people have lower IQs that atheists and not a few professional theists have turned out to be venal crooks.

So one stattement is supported by facts, the other you just made up, so the quoted statement is not true.

[micatala]

It must really grind you to live in a majority Christian country that really does think prayer works, even Congress.

Always amusing when those who disbelieve in a personal God hate Him in a personal way.

Honestly, it stuns me that there is still superstitious thinking in this day and age, and adults carry on the fantasy in favor of more reasonable actions.

It's sad our species has superstitious residue from our less enlightened predecessors.

It's hard to get angry when you know it's not their fault for believing those things, or have the capacity (mental or otherwise) to break the spell.

I am of the belief that religionists are less intelligent, or, if intelligent, are apologists for personal gain. In a few rare cases, some people may actually believe their own dogma, but this seems to be a psychological issue, not philosophical.

One can certainly have any opinion they want about the religious beliefs of others.

However, you make several comments here that are quite broad and, as this point, unsupported. Do you have any evidence believers are "less intelligent" than people on average? While I would agree, some engage in religious rhetoric for personal gain, but can you provide data on the extent to which this is the case?

Are you of the opinion that religious believers like Newton, Galileo, Francis Collins, Mahatma Gandhi, Desmond Tutu, Jimmy Carter, and even, say, Barack Obama are unintelligent or suffering from "psychological issues"?

[East of Eden]

Your statement is as non-sensical as if I were to say few atheists really believe their dogma, they just pretend to for personal gain.

Actually, it isn't nearly as nonsensical. (one word unhyphenated). There simply aren't many false atheists doing it for the cash (although Dawlns was perhaps the world's first professional atheist - but then again there are millions of professional theists) but it demonstrable that religious people have lower IQs that atheists and not a few professional theists have turned out to be venal crooks.

So one stattement is supported by facts, the other you just made up, so the quoted statement is not true.

Of course I made both of them up, it was intended as irony on the previous similar statement directed at theists, did you not get that?

[keithprosser3]

My mistake.