IRS Asked Pro-Life Group for the Content of Their Prayers

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IRS Asked Pro-Life Group for the Content of Their Prayers

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http://washingtonexaminer.com/congressm ... le/2529924

Anybody not think this is a gross violation of the separation of church and state?

And some wonder why people worry about a tyrannical government.
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Ooberman wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
East of Eden wrote: That is exactly wrong, according to this study, liberals are three times as likely to cheat on their taxes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840112/posts

I do like the part about profiling Muslims though.
The actuall figures from the Pew research poll, I don't know where the "three times" comes from:

It's morally acceptable to under report income on taxes.
Conservative 4%
Moderate 5%
Liberal 6%

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... rality.pdf page 12.
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EoE, this keeps happening. Why don't you speak openly and honestly instead of with a constant agenda? It's annoying to talk to a constant mouthpiece for some religio-political movement.
Agenda? Pot, meet kettle, O mouthpiece of the anti-religion agenda.
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East of Eden wrote: I stand corrected, the original link I posted said: "According to a Pew Research poll, the liberals who relentlessly advocate higher taxes are three times more likely than conservatives to think it's okay to cheat when paying them."

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now?
Thinking it's not a moral issue, is quite a different matter to thinking it's ok to cheat on taxes now, isn't it?
It must be quite embarrassing to you lefties. You do acknowledge the poll showed liberals cheat on their taxes more than conservatives, don't you?
No. You changed the "think it's ok to cheat" bit to "cheat" again.

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Bust Nak wrote:
East of Eden wrote: I stand corrected, the original link I posted said: "According to a Pew Research poll, the liberals who relentlessly advocate higher taxes are three times more likely than conservatives to think it's okay to cheat when paying them."

I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now?
Thinking it's not a moral issue, is quite a different matter to thinking it's ok to cheat on taxes now, isn't it?
And liberals do more of both.
No. You changed the "think it's ok to cheat" bit to "cheat" again.
So what? As stated, it has been demonstrated liberals do more of both.
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East of Eden wrote:And liberals do more of both.
Sure, the problem is you are concluding that liberal cheat on their taxes more than conservatives.
So what? As stated, it has been demonstrated liberals do more of both.
But it has not been demostrated that liberals do more of cheating on taxes.

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Bust Nak wrote:
East of Eden wrote:And liberals do more of both.
Sure, the problem is you are concluding that liberal cheat on their taxes more than conservatives.
So what? As stated, it has been demonstrated liberals do more of both.
But it has not been demostrated that liberals do more of cheating on taxes.
If they are three times as likely to say it's OK to cheat, won't they? Don't you think they are telling the truth on that? We certainly have the example of Obama's tax-cheating appointees as a mini-experiment. According to this article from last year, 36 Obama aids owed $833,000 in back taxes.

http://news.investors.com/politics-andr ... -taxes.htm
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[Replying to post 1 by East of Eden]

Remember that this is the administration put into place by thousands of people that booed God being mentioned at its nomination convention. Also the constituents of Barack Obama want to boycott Christian businesses that believe in the Gospels the way the original Christians did.

It should come as no surpise that Chicago politics has been brought to bear against those that this administration wants to crush.

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99percentatheism wrote: [Replying to post 1 by East of Eden]

Remember that this is the administration put into place by thousands of people that booed God being mentioned at its nomination convention. Also the constituents of Barack Obama want to boycott Christian businesses that believe in the Gospels the way the original Christians did.

It should come as no surpise that Chicago politics has been brought to bear against those that this administration wants to crush.
You people have no idea. I grew up in Chicago where such corrupt sleaziness was commonplace. My dad's cousin was a bailiff for a judge, essentially a bagman bringing bribes to the judges. My favorite story is the Mafia lawyer who became a judge, then stepped down from that and went back to being a Mafia lawyer.

Slightly off topic, my wife grew up in a nice neighborhood, one of her mom's friends was a Mrs. Accardo, sister in law to Tony Accardo, Al Capone hitman and later head of the Chicago mob. Another in the neighborhood was Joey Aiuppa, another mob boss. Lots of public officials were on the take from these people.

I don't think Obama himself was involved in any corruption when he was in IL politics, but he certianly didn't rock the boat. The culture of curruption is evidenced by the two recent former governors who went to jail. That sort of thing doesn't happen so much in normal America.
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East of Eden wrote:
Ooberman wrote:
100%atheist wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
East of Eden wrote: That is exactly wrong, according to this study, liberals are three times as likely to cheat on their taxes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840112/posts

I do like the part about profiling Muslims though.
The actuall figures from the Pew research poll, I don't know where the "three times" comes from:

It's morally acceptable to under report income on taxes.
Conservative 4%
Moderate 5%
Liberal 6%

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... rality.pdf page 12.
We should call it "East of Eden busted again"
Thank you for exposing the truth.
EoE, this keeps happening. Why don't you speak openly and honestly instead of with a constant agenda? It's annoying to talk to a constant mouthpiece for some religio-political movement.
Agenda? Pot, meet kettle, O mouthpiece of the anti-religion agenda.
My agenda is to talk plainly, honestly and simply. Yes, i suppose that is anti-religious.

I encourage you to join the tenet of my religion: honesty with oneself first, with others when possible.
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East of Eden wrote:
I should have said liberals are three times more likely to THINK its OK to cheat on taxes, although given the number of tax cheats among Obama appointees, I wasn't far off. The three times figure comes from a question in the poll about whether or not hiding income was a moral issue. Only 8% of conservatives thought so, compared to 23% of liberals, almost three to one. Happy now? It must be quite embarrassing to you lefties. You do acknowledge the poll showed liberals cheat on their taxes more than conservatives, don't you?
I challenge you to provide the source of your numbers (8% and 23%). This is not what I found in the Pew research poll.

Also, I am not a liberal. I am none. Also, you can get in trouble with your fellow conservatives who happened to disagree with you. This is because you tend to define "a conservative" as anyone who agrees with you, and "a lefty" as anyone who disagrees with you.

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East of Eden wrote: That is exactly wrong, according to this study, liberals are three times as likely to cheat on their taxes:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2840112/posts

I do like the part about profiling Muslims though.
The actuall figures from the Pew research poll, I don't know where the "three times" comes from:

It's morally acceptable to under report income on taxes.
Conservative 4%
Moderate 5%
Liberal 6%

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... rality.pdf page 12.
We should call it "East of Eden busted again"
Thank you for exposing the truth.
I think I understand his thinking.


There are only Conservatives. Everyone else is Liberal.

So it's 11% (since as Conservatives we can just add percentages), which means:

4%+4%=8% plus almost 4 (3) = 11%. That's THREE TIMES.

Plus, you can add 1% because since Liberals always lie, so some of the 4% of Conservatives are really (liars = liberals).

Voila, Conservatives are the more honest group...


Of course, that doesn't matter because even liars tell the truth sometimes.
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