Should An Islamic Mosque Be Built At Ground Zero?

[WinePusher]

In New York City, there is a contreversy on whether or not to construct a Mosque near the grounds of the 9/11 attack. This is completly outraegous and infuriating because no one seems to be able to answer the question Why There? Why build a Islamic mosque at the site of a place that was destroyed by Islamic Jihadists? I'm sure there are plently of other land space where a mosque can be built, but why have these Muslims decided to build it so close to Ground Zero? Are they oblivious to the fact that at that area, thousands of americans were killed by Muslim Jihadists?

Should a mosque be built at ground zero?

[East of Eden]

So, anyone have any updates about this mosque? Did the Imam come to his senses and move his mosque away from Ground Zero, or is he still persistant on spitting in the face of Americans and throwing salt into the wounds of the 9/11 victims and families by keeping the Mosque there?

They did recently find a piece of an airplane lodged in the mosque wall:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/lan ... -1.1330196

Perhaps the leftists can celebrate their victory by campaigning for a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor.

[Darias]

So, anyone have any updates about this mosque? Did the Imam come to his senses and move his mosque away from Ground Zero, or is he still persistant on spitting in the face of Americans and throwing salt into the wounds of the 9/11 victims and families by keeping the Mosque there?

They did recently find a piece of an airplane lodged in the mosque wall:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/lan ... -1.1330196

Perhaps the leftists can celebrate their victory by campaigning for a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor.

Would you honestly find a Shinto temple at Pearl Harbor offensive after all this time, especially given that the state of Japan started the war and not the religion?

I remember how scarey 9/11 was as a kid. I understand how tragic it is. But the idea that people treat parts of the wreckage as holy relics or that 9/11 is holy ground which non-Christian unamericans should be banned from is idiotic.

Imam Faisal did not create 9/11. And his interpretation of his medieval religion didn't have anything to do with the ideology that fueled al-Qaida. So, why, for the love of Allah, do you care if this guy preaches a modern version of Islam that's more tolerant and anti-radical? Why do you care that he built his house of worship on his own land that he paid for?

Why, oh why, do supposed constitutionalists and small government folks advocate for mob rule in the face of a perceived injustice? Why does this issue turn constitutionalists into socialists with collectivist mentality -- as if this guy's right to build and worship as he sees fit is an attack on all of America, as if he should be associated with the savages responsible for this tragedy. Collectivist patriotism and collectivist guilt... that's all it is.

I'm no fan of Islam, but his right to build and practice is not doing any harm to anyone. Offending people, intentional or otherwise, is not a crime.

Idk why issues like these turn conservatives into French socialists. Maybe it's because people pick and choose their views on a case by case basis and aren't actually grounded by consistent principles.

[WinePusher]

There are all sorts of fast food restaurants and even a gentleman's club closer to ground zero -- so stop acting like it's holy. It's a tragic crime scene -- and he wasn't responsible for it.

No, I won't stop acting like it's holy ground and you should be ashamed to suggest that it isn't. Many people travel to ground zero to pay their respects to the thousands of victims who died there. And nobody is saying that this ridiculous and offensive Imam Rauf is responsible for 9/11.

As far as I am concerned, when it comes to constitutional rights, the "moral" majority can go fly a kite. Rights aren't up for a vote. If you feel strongly enough about it go buy the plot next to it and put up signs that say Islam is evil and Muhammad can kiss something.

I agree he has every constitutional right to build his mosque there. I am not opposed to the existence of the thousands of mosques in the United States. I am opposed to this one specific, mosque because it is being built on sacred ground.

Why does the Imam want the Mosque built there? Is it because there are no other available spaces in New York City? Is it because this is the one and only building in all of New York City that is large enough to house all the Muslim congregants?

No. The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

[McCulloch]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans that there are Muslims who are as committed to their faith as any Christian is and who were as horrified as any other American by what was done by the Muslim terrorists. Is the mosque that is being proposed a Wahhabi mosque or is it for a more liberal interpretation of Islam?

[East of Eden]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam. That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

It is insenstive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

[Danmark]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam. That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

It is insenstive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

I agree that people with strong feelings may let their judgment be overwhelmed by their passions. This is a particularly dangerous truth when religious fervor is added to the mix. Such folks will use terms like 'sacred' or 'holy' ground to defend their positions. Of course, 'sacred' and 'holy' are limited to their beliefs, their religion.

One would think you and Winepusher believe the only people killed at the World Trade Center were Christians. Have you forgotten that Muslims were also killed there on 9/11?

[East of Eden]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam. That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

It is insenstive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

I agree that people with strong feelings may let their judgment be overwhelmed by their passions. This is a particularly dangerous truth when religious fervor is added to the mix. Such folks will use terms like 'sacred' or 'holy' ground to defend their positions. Of course, 'sacred' and 'holy' are limited to their beliefs, their religion.

One would think you and Winepusher believe the only people killed at the World Trade Center were Christians. Have you forgotten that Muslims were also killed there on 9/11?

Of course we know that, most of the victims of Islamic terror are other Muslims. What does that have to do with anything?

[Danmark]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam. That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

It is insenstive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

I agree that people with strong feelings may let their judgment be overwhelmed by their passions. This is a particularly dangerous truth when religious fervor is added to the mix. Such folks will use terms like 'sacred' or 'holy' ground to defend their positions. Of course, 'sacred' and 'holy' are limited to their beliefs, their religion.

One would think you and Winepusher believe the only people killed at the World Trade Center were Christians. Have you forgotten that Muslims were also killed there on 9/11?

Of course we know that, most of the victims of Islamic terror are other Muslims. What does that have to do with anything?

I wouldn't think I would have to explain it to you. You claim it is wrong to put a mosque near the site of the WTC. Are you in equal agreement there should be no church or Christian shrine or cross or memorial near the site?

How large a perimeter of the former WTC site should be off limits to religious memorials or temples and restricted to secular establishments?

[McCulloch]

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam.

You and I both strongly dislike radical Islam.

That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

I strongly dislike radical Christianity too.

It is insensitive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

No, I doubt it. I lost colleagues at the WTC. It is not, in my opinion, insensitive. It is an effort on the part of these Muslims to say that they were hurt by this thing too and that they need to be part of the solution.

[East of Eden]

The only reason why he wants the mosque there is because he thinks it will promote healing and unity. He is doing it specifically because of the fact that the 9/11 towers were brought down by people who followed the Islamic faith. He is foolish and wrong. It has not promoted any type of healing and it has done a disservice to the Muslim community. This mosque has done nothing to make Americans more accepting of Muslims, in fact it has done the exact opposite.

Yes, we wouldn't want to allow anyone to take measures to promote healing and unity. We certainly don't want to find ways to make it clear to certain Muslim-hating Americans

Nobody here hates all Muslims, although I do strongly dislike radical Islam. That is as ridiculous and offensive as it we were to call you Christian-hating because of your diatribes.

It is insenstive to put a mosque there, and there is no right to place a house of worship anywhere you want. Perhaps if you had lost a loved one on 9/11 you would feel differently.

I agree that people with strong feelings may let their judgment be overwhelmed by their passions. This is a particularly dangerous truth when religious fervor is added to the mix. Such folks will use terms like 'sacred' or 'holy' ground to defend their positions. Of course, 'sacred' and 'holy' are limited to their beliefs, their religion.

One would think you and Winepusher believe the only people killed at the World Trade Center were Christians. Have you forgotten that Muslims were also killed there on 9/11?

Of course we know that, most of the victims of Islamic terror are other Muslims. What does that have to do with anything?

I wouldn't think I would have to explain it to you. You claim it is wrong to put a mosque near the site of the WTC. Are you in equal agreement there should be no church or Christian shrine or cross or memorial near the site?

Why would I, Christians didn't commit those murders, and most of the victims were Christian, so yes I think it would be entirely appropriate.

How large a perimeter of the former WTC site should be off limits to religious memorials or temples and restricted to secular establishments?

You'd like that, wouldn't you. Nice, using a tragedy to further the cause of militant secularism.