Abortion in New York State

[jcrawford]

Abortion and gay rights promise to be a hot topic in the upcoming elections for governor of New York State. Republican John Faso, anounced today that he would stop Medicaid abortions if elected governor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... 2266c.html

Is it either ethical or moral for NYC public school teachers and hospital workers or their leaders to support killing the unborn fetuses of married black men and their wives without their knowledge and written consent, or to vote for a white racist like Spitzer?

The New York Times also reported today that John Faso said he believed the Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion was unconstitutional.

If it is not constitutional for heterosexual and religously married black men to be sexually reproductive with their wives, or to be informed of some white male abortionist's intent to abort the fetus in his wive's womb, why are white lawyers arguing in a New Jersey court today that white men should have the right to marry each other?

[jcrawford]

No trolling, please.

[Wyvern]

Wow you have taken two unrelated topics and shown that they have no relation

[McCulloch]

Questions:

1. Is it either ethical or moral for NYC public school teachers and hospital workers or their leaders to support killing the unborn fetuses of married black men and their wives without their knowledge and written consent?
   Firstly, I believe that an only slightly modified version of this question has been asked by jcrawford elsewhere. Secondly, it has not been shown that race is an issue. The supporters of abortion rights, support the right to abortion equally regardless of race. Thirdly, no one I know supports the idea of abortion without the knowledge and written concent of the woman. So stripped of the irrelevancies, this question is about a man's right to prohibit his wife from getting an abortion.
2. Is it either ethical or moral for NYC public school teachers and hospital workers or their leaders to vote for a white racist like Spitzer?
   I do not think that it is relevant if the supporters of Spitzer are NYC public school teachers or hostpital workers. A more relevant question would be, "Is it ethical or moral to provide political support for white racists?" As posed by jcrawford, the debate also begs the question. It has not been shown that Spitzer is a white racist. I am not denying that he is, as I am unfamiliar with New York politics. However, before this question can be meaningfully debated, it has to be shown that Spitzer is a white racist. We should also hope that jcrawford can do a more convincing job of showing that Spitzer is a white racist than his futile attempts to show that all evolutionary scientists are racists.
3. If it is not constitutional for heterosexual and religously married black men to be sexually reproductive with their wives, or to be informed of some white male abortionist's intent to abort the fetus in his wive's womb, why are white lawyers arguing in a New Jersey court today that white men should have the right to marry each other?
   This has got to be the most pointless question of the lot. Heterosexual men, religious or not, of all races, married or not, have the right to be sexually reproductive with their wive's or girlfriend's consent. Husbands do not have the right to prohibit or be informed of their wives' medical procedures regardless of race or religion. Lawyers (regardless of race) argue in various jurisdictions that two consenting adults, regardless of race or gender, should be allowed to marry without reference to abortion rights.

[1John2_26]

Lot was not mayor of Sodom and this guy Faso, will never get elected Governor of New York state if he is running on morality.

[jcrawford]

The supporters of abortion rights, support the right to abortion equally regardless of race.

Whites have no right to advocate the abortion of black babies by white male abortionists without the knowledge and consent of the father.

No one I know supports the idea of abortion without the knowledge and written concent of the woman.

That's not the issue. No white secular supremacists can advocate abortions for Black Muslim and Christian women.

So stripped of the irrelevancies, this question is about a man's right to prohibit his wife from getting an abortion.

No, the question is about secular white racists advocating abortion rights for Black Muslim and Christian women.

I do not think that it is relevant if the supporters of Spitzer are NYC public school teachers or hostpital workers.

State employees have no right to support a racist white man who advocates the killing of black babies.

It has not been shown that Spitzer is a white racist.
I am not denying that he is, as I am unfamiliar with New York politics. However, before this question can be meaningfully debated, it has to be shown that Spitzer is a white racist.

He is a white man who advocates killing black babies without the fathers' knowledge or consent.

Heterosexual men, religious or not, of all races, married or not, have the right to be sexually reproductive with their wive's or girlfriend's consent.

Only married men have the statutory right to procreate with their wives.

Husbands do not have the right to prohibit or be informed of their wives' medical procedures regardless of race or religion.

That's a secular lie. All married men have the right to be informed of any medical practice on their wives, and the right to a second medical opinion. Only homophobes and patriphobes deny men, fathers and husbands their procreative rights.

Why doesn't white racist Spitzer advocate procreative rights for Black Muslim and Christian husbands, but instead denies them?

[McCulloch]

So stripped of the irrelevancies, this question is about a man's right to prohibit his wife from getting an abortion.

No, the question is about secular white racists advocating abortion rights for Black Muslim and Christian women.

It is secular persons of both genders and all races who advocate abortion rights for all women.

It has not been shown that Spitzer is a white racist.
I am not denying that he is, as I am unfamiliar with New York politics. However, before this question can be meaningfully debated, it has to be shown that Spitzer is a white racist.

He is a white man who advocates killing black babies without the fathers' knowledge or consent.

Forgive me for doubting you, but is this Spitzer on record as specifically advocating the killing of black fetuses or is he supporting the rights of all women to control their pregnancies? Please provide some evidence that Spitzer is racist.

Heterosexual men, religious or not, of all races, married or not, have the right to be sexually reproductive with their wive's or girlfriend's consent.

Only married men have the statutory right to procreate with their wives.

Please provide that statute which states this.

Husbands do not have the right to prohibit or be informed of their wives' medical procedures regardless of race or religion.

That's a secular lie. All married men have the right to be informed of any medical practice on their wives, and the right to a second medical opinion. Only homophobes and patriphobes deny men, fathers and husbands their procreative rights.

This is your unsubstantiated and unsupported opinion. You have repeated it many times, but I do not believe that there are any laws on the books to support your position. If you believe that the law should support your oppression of wives, please provide evidence.

[jcrawford]

It is secular persons of both genders and all races who advocate abortion rights for all women.

I never heard an African American politician advocating abortion and genocide rights for the wives of African American men without their written consent.

He is a white man who advocates killing black babies without the fathers' knowledge or consent.

Forgive me for doubting you, but is this Spitzer on record as specifically advocating the killing of black fetuses or is he supporting the rights of all women to control their pregnancies? Please provide some evidence that Spitzer is racist.

Any white politician who advocates the indiscriminate killing of African American babies is a racist.

Only married men have the statutory right to procreate with their wives.

Please provide that statute which states this.

After you provide the statute which states that white men have the right to marry black men.

All married men have the right to be informed of any medical practice on their wives, and the right to a second medical opinion. Only homophobes and patriphobes deny men, fathers and husbands their procreative rights.

This is your unsubstantiated and unsupported opinion. You have repeated it many times, but I do not believe that there are any laws on the books to support your position. If you believe that the law should support your oppression of wives, please provide evidence.

After you provide evidence that white women have the right to marry black women.

[Wyvern]

He is a white man who advocates killing black babies without the fathers' knowledge or consent.

Forgive me for doubting you, but is this Spitzer on record as specifically advocating the killing of black fetuses or is he supporting the rights of all women to control their pregnancies? Please provide some evidence that Spitzer is racist.

Any white politician who advocates the indiscriminate killing of African American babies is a racist.

JC please answer the question, has this Spitzer person actually gone on record advocating specificly the abortion of black fetuses and if so please provide a link of it.

Only married men have the statutory right to procreate with their wives.

Please provide that statute which states this.

After you provide the statute which states that white men have the right to marry black men.

All married men have the right to be informed of any medical practice on their wives, and the right to a second medical opinion. Only homophobes and patriphobes deny men, fathers and husbands their procreative rights.

This is your unsubstantiated and unsupported opinion. You have repeated it many times, but I do not believe that there are any laws on the books to support your position. If you believe that the law should support your oppression of wives, please provide evidence.

After you provide evidence that white women have the right to marry black women.

How is it in your mind that gay marriage and abortion rights are intertwined? Again please support your arguments instead of merely saying something is so and expecting us to understand.

[jcrawford]

JC please answer the question, has this Spitzer person actually gone on record advocating specificly the abortion of black fetuses and if so please provide a link of it.

Any white politician who advocates indiscriminate abortions is specifically targeting the African American population.
http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/~rauch/nvp/c ... enics.html

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialRepor ... 0207a.html

http://afgen.com/populat40.html

How is it in your mind that gay marriage and abortion rights are intertwined? Again please support your arguments instead of merely saying something is so and expecting us to understand.

The right of men to marry and to procreate in marriage is a single issue. If men don't have the right to procreate in marriage they certainly don't have the right to marry each other or to advocate abortion rights for married women without paternal consent.

Until all men's rights are fully and equally protected in statue law, or by constitutional amendment if necessary, no state or federal government has the right to grant special rights to white men who wish to marry other men.