Secular Violence.

[jcrawford]

If secular nazis, fascists and communists killed tens of millions of Christians, Jews and Muslims during their secular reigns of terror, secular abortionists around the world have killed hundreds of millions of unborn children of Christian, Jewish and Muslim men and women during their recent secular reign of terror. The secular supremacists call it population control or women's rights. Christians, Jews and Muslims call it secular terrorism, and when their babies are partially born alive and then killed by secular abortionists, we call it bloody partial birth murder.

[Vladd44]

I know better than getting into these things, or at least I thought I did.

If secular nazis, fascists and communists killed tens of millions of Christians, Jews and Muslims during their secular reigns of terror

Nazis were not secular. They were overwhelmingly supported by German xians. Christianity was also an active part of Party indoctrination directed towards children through schools.

Hitler himself was a Catholic. He outlawed all abortion, put to death people for being gay. He was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by the catholic church.

So please chalk that one up to the christian, not the Secularists.

secular abortionists around the world have killed hundreds of millions of unborn children of Christian, Jewish and Muslim men and women during their recent secular reign of terror.

84% of American abortion patients identify themselves as Christians: 43% are Protestant, 28% are Roman Catholic, and 13% Evangelical.

The proportion of abortion patients who are Protestant is 10% lower than the Protestant proportion of the population, however both the Roman Catholic and evangelical proportions of abortion patients are significantly higher than their proportions in the general population. Most likely due to the outdated and ridiculous viewpoint many of them share regarding contraception.

I have never seen abortionist handing out cards saying get pregnant and let us help you abort your baby, we need the business. I have been unable to find any reliable verifiable data on religion and abortion doctors, but it seems more than a little hypocritical to bemoan secular doctors who abort babies brought deliberately into harms way by christians.

The secular supremacists call it population control or women's rights.

One of the things I noticed is the large number of souther white christian women in the statistics getting abortions in number far greater than their percentage of the population.

Now bear with me, but what would make a god fearing anti abortion woman have an abortion? I find it far more likely that they are in a situation of following their man as he follows christ.

Not only is abortion rights under attack (I must confess I have very mixed views about this), but contraception as well. Looks more like a few people who think its time to remind a woman exactly where she belongs.... and give back those shoes.

As far as Partial Birth Abortion is concerned, I personally see no justification for it, it seems to be a more hazardous procedure than simply having a normal vaginal birth. So I fail to see how there can be any merit in its use.

[jcrawford]

I know better than getting into these things, or at least I thought I did.

Yes, fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Nazis were not secular. They were overwhelmingly supported by German xians.

Never heard of "xians" before. Were they some sort of sexian or secular cult?

Christianity was also an active part of Party indoctrination directed towards children through schools.

You mean they taught the Hebrew Bible in German public schools?

Hitler himself was a Catholic. He outlawed all abortion, put to death people for being gay. He was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by the catholic church. So please chalk that one up to the christian, not the Secularists.

Can't blame Protestant, Orthothox or Coptic Christians for that.

84% of American abortion patients identify themselves as Christians: 43% are Protestant, 28% are Roman Catholic, and 13% Evangelical.

Who do they identify themselves to - the American Medical Association or just the abortionists? How come Jews and Muslims aren't given an equal opportunity to identify themselves?

The proportion of abortion patients who are Protestant is 10% lower than the Protestant proportion of the population, however both the Roman Catholic and evangelical proportions of abortion patients are significantly higher than their proportions in the general population. Most likely due to the outdated and ridiculous viewpoint many of them share regarding contraception.

Where are you getting your information? Protestant and Catholic churches or just feminist women? Are abortionists allowed to kill the unborn children of preists, pastors, imams and rabbis without their consent too?

[Vladd44]

Yes, fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

hehh, I was thinking more along the lines of rushing to to tread of fools.

Never heard of "xians" before. Were they some sort of sexian or secular cult?

xmas, christmas.
xian, christian.

You mean they taught the Hebrew Bible in German public schools?

Not sure where your going there.

Who do they identify themselves to - the American Medical Association or just the abortionists? How come Jews and Muslims aren't given an equal opportunity to identify themselves?

There is data provided for non xians as well. But my point was about xian duplicity about abortion, hence the reason I left out the statistics for non xians.

As far as where I get my data from, its a matter of public record. I would suggest you start looking at http://www.google.com

[jcrawford]

I have never seen abortionist handing out cards saying get pregnant and let us help you abort your baby, we need the business.

Me neither. Pro-abortionists and feminists only advertise their expertise and skills in helping women get abortions. They don't recommend women getting pregnant in the first place. That's the difference between secularists and relgious folk. We lay the egg and secular abortionists break the yolk.

I have been unable to find any reliable verifiable data on religion and abortion doctors,

You previously listed a bunch of statistics on religion and abortion. Guess they were not too reliable, coming from the Guttmacher Institute.
http://www.agi-usa.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

but it seems more than a little hypocritical to bemoan secular doctors who abort babies brought deliberately into harms way by christians.

So you admit that pregnant Christian, Jewish and Muslim women who visit male abortionists without the father's consent are "in harms way." It's kind of like commiting adultery, isn't it?

One of the things I noticed is the large number of souther white christian women in the statistics getting abortions in number far greater than their percentage of the population.

Good way to keep the white Christian population down south under control. I wonder how many white and black Christian men and women work at the Guttmacher Institute?

[jcrawford]

Now bear with me, but what would make a god fearing anti abortion woman have an abortion?

Only the devil and feminazis.

I find it far more likely that they are in a situation of following their man as he follows christ.

They are more in a secular situation where their Christian, Jewish or Muslim "man" can't follow them into the male abortionist's clinic. Sort of the same political situation as existed under Nazi rule in Germany and Communist rule in the former Soviet Union. The Red Chinese secular Communists still force Christian, Jewish and Islamic women to have abortions.

Not only is abortion rights under attack (I must confess I have very mixed views about this), but contraception as well. Looks more like a few people who think its time to remind a woman exactly where she belongs.... and give back those shoes.

I think it is time to remind secular abortionists that not only are the number of bloody abortions they have performed on Christian, Jewish and Muslim women being counted, but their crimes against humanity are being recorded and their days are numbered too.

As far as Partial Birth Abortion is concerned, I personally see no justification for it, it seems to be a more hazardous procedure than simply having a normal vaginal birth. So I fail to see how there can be any merit in its use.

PBA is the proverbial straw which will break the secular abortionists reign of terror since partially delivering the body of a living third trimester baby feet first until only it's head remains in its' mother's vaginal canal, and then sucking it's living brain out, is what we Christians, Jews and Muslims call domestic violence, domestic terrorism and bloody murder.

[jcrawford]

You mean they taught the Hebrew Bible in German public schools?

Not sure where your going there.

The Christian Bible consists of the Old Testament (the Hebrew Bible) and the New Testament of Jesus Christ who was also a Jew. The Nazis certainly didn't honor or teach Judeo-Christianity in German public schools during their reign of secular terror. They persected Jews and Christians just like all secular abortionists and feminazis do.

There is data provided for non xians as well. But my point was about xian duplicity about abortion, hence the reason I left out the statistics for non xians.

Xians must be some sort of secular Christian pro-abortion sect. I get it.

As far as where I get my data from, its a matter of public record. I would suggest you start looking at http://www.google.com

The Google corporation keeps records on the secular dirty work of male abortionists? Who would have thunk it? I wonder where the Google Corp stands on killing Christian, Jewish and Muslim babies in their mother's wombs without their father's informed consent.

[Vladd44]

Perhaps you should take more time reading what I wrote, then perhaps you would have at least learned what an xian is.

xmas, christmas.
xian, christian.

Consider it a religious algebra problem. x= christ.

x + mas = christmas
x + ian = christian.

Get it now? I know you love to type the word secular but next time read again.

They don't recommend women getting pregnant in the first place.

With the population as it is, I would hope no one would be out encouraging people to procreate. Lets learn to feed the children we already have on the planet first. Geez.

You previously listed a bunch of statistics on religion and abortion. Guess they were not too reliable, coming from the Guttmacher Institute.

43% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% identify themselves as Catholic.[

43% are Protestant, 28% are Roman Catholic, and 13% Evangelical.

Oh please help me, My stats vary from yours by a whole 1% . Come on, quit grasping at straws.

So you admit that pregnant Christian, Jewish and Muslim women who visit male abortionists without the father's consent are "in harms way." It's kind of like commiting adultery, isn't it?

uhhh, and where did i say anything of the sort? Also where is your supposition of male abortion doctors, many are female, not that it matters what their gender is.

I fail to see how I as a male can have any real right of control over a womans body. Or anyone else for that matter.

But of course their unborn child is in harms way. You want to consider me pro-abortion. Nothing could be further from the truth. I would like to see abortion as a rare outdated idea, but I realize the way to do that isn't to criminalize it, but to get a more practical view about prevention. We need to get our heads out of our collective rectums and get realistic about human sexuality.

Only the devil and feminazis.

OK, so i can see your a limbaugh spewer by that comment. So are you saying the women who claim to be xian are not really xian at all, but closet devils and feminists?

They are more in a secular situation where their Christian, Jewish or Muslim "man" can't follow them into the male abortionist's clinic.

Well, trust me, when that man of their was between their legs, it wasn't in a males abortion clinic. Step back a bit, think about it, people don't just wake up pregnant, and there is a reason agnostics/atheists/secular humanists have a lower abortion rate than christians. It is because we do not tend to have the stigma associated with sexuality that repressed christians have.

The Red Chinese secular Communists still force Christian, Jewish and Islamic women to have abortions.

yes, a policy I think is horrible. But the Bush administration , with all its good christian values continues to promote good ties and most favored nation trading status for them. Perhaps you should talk to your boy bush about putting his money where his mouth is, and start promoting human rights in China.

The Google corporation keeps records on the secular dirty work of male abortionists?

Such comments make me wonder if you really are computer illiterate. I would tell you to google the word search engine, but then you might think its a dictionary as well.

[juliod]

Just one question:

secular abortionists

Why do you associate "secular" with "abortion"? Abortion isn't prohibited, nor even disapproved of in the bible. It isn't even mentioned.

If abortion were as important as you seem to think it is, why wasn't it mentioned in the bible?

DanZ

[jcrawford]

Perhaps you should take more time reading what I wrote, then perhaps you would have at least learned what an xian is.

xmas, christmas.
xian, christian.

Consider it a religious algebra problem. x= christ.

x + mas = christmas
x + ian = christian.

Get it now? I know you love to type the word secular but next time read again.

Yeah, I get it now. Xians are secular sexists who love to use algebraic axioms and equations in order to solve their religous problems with Christmas and Christians in our government schools.

With the population as it is, I would hope no one would be out encouraging people to procreate. Lets learn to feed the children we already have on the planet first. Geez.

Why don't you feed the planet, stop secular abortionists from killing American children and leave our Christian, Jewish and Muslim women and children alone? Secular abortionists are child molesters and ought to be locked up for their own good.

43% are Protestant, 28% are Roman Catholic, and 13% Evangelical.

Oh please help me, My stats vary from yours by a whole 1% . Come on, quit grasping at straws.

Quit using statistics which were originally compiled by Guttmacher as if they were your own.

Also where is your supposition of male abortion doctors, many are female, not that it matters what their gender is.

The idea of secular male abortionists molesting a man's wife without his informed consent is not a "supposition." It is a revolting and disgusting daily fact of American life. We Christian, Jewish and Islamic men don't want to harass defenseless and harmless female abortionists. It's the wicked male secularists we are going after, first. Just like those wicked male chauvinists the feminists targeted 40 years ago. Modern American male doctors are an easy pushover these days, even for secular lawyers, don't you agree?