Are Democrats promoting any bills aimed at keeping people

[sleepyhead]

Hello,

The republicans have sponsored bills requireing ID's, and also bills in Ohio which prevent people from voting early. Both were aimed at a certain group of voters (Democrats). Have democrats put forth any similar bills aimed at keeping republicans from the polls?

[chris_brown207]

Gasp, shock... and yet another Republican election consultant says that the hubub about voter "fraud" and voter ID was actually a ploy to sway the polls in Republican's favors....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 73927.html

I have a feeling this guy didn't get the memo on keeping these facts on the down low! Oops, he probably needs to prep his resume.

[Cewakiyelo]

What is the problem with asking a person to produce identification to enable them to vote? I've had to do so since I was 16 (which was old enough to vote on issues in Ohio), and I didn't have a driver's license until I was 28. There is such a thing as a state ID for those of us who couldn't drive for one reason or another. I must produce identification to use my Visa card, for Pete's sake. Big deal, and all I'm doing is buying Chinese! Isn't the voting process a bit more sacrosanct that Asian Chao?Shouldn't it be protected from potential abuse? Or are y'all worried dead folks won't get to vote?

Amen. Dead folks and lets not forget the illegal immigrant vote. Citizenship should be verified and popular vote be honored.

[East of Eden]

Here's a Democrat who may have voted 6 times for Obama:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02 ... six-times/

[East of Eden]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

[dianaiad]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

Indeed, and the next time I hear some Democrat say that 'none of these people were denied," as if that were some sort of statement of victory for THEIR side, I wonder where the famous 'justice delayed is justice denied' mantra resides in their very adjustable memories.

[WinePusher]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

Sorry EoE, you're right on alot of other issues, but you're simply wrong on this issue. What the IRS did is called profiling. The IRS singled out a group of people for additional scrutiny. I want airports to single out Muslims for additional scrutiny, so I cannot object to what the IRS did. If you're in favor of profiling Muslims are airports, which I am, then you cannot object to the IRS profiling conservatives.

Yes, the IRS did place an undue burden on conservative groups. But, the same is true for Muslims who are profiled at airports. An undue burden is placed upon them, and I really don't care about the burden.

[Goat]

Let's see..

There seems to be a lot of conspiracy theories being humped onto the democrats, and the voting process.. and yet.. there seems to be one big key item that is missing in all these accusations.

That is what is known as 'Evidence'.

Let's ,for example, look at the so called 'Irs scandal'. In it's investation, the committee that is overlooking it found out that the main manager involved is a conservative republican.

Issa won't release the full transcripts of the interviews. He claims there is 'damning evidence in them'.
llion dollars for embassy security. They did something similar theyear before
However, a democrate on that same committee says there is evidence that Issa is claiming this is. He wants to release the full transcripts to the public. Issa doesn't want to.

Gosh, one of them is not exactly telling the truth. Which one wants to hide the information?

It sounds to me like a witch hunt, or the resurrection of mccarthyism.


Now let's look at the so called Benghazi scandal. The right wing fanatics latched onto the fact that Obama used the term 'act of terror' rather than use the word 'terrorism'. Guess what. That is the terminology that Bush used with the 9/11 incident initally.. yet you don't see them frothing at the mouth about that. Then, when there was indepth interviews with so called 'whistle blowers', the most daming charge was of incompetence, because requested security upgrades were not done.

Now, one must ask, why was it not done. A large part of the reason was the lack of money. It turns out the previous year, the republicans cut 500M dollars out of the request 5 biillion dollars requested. They did similar things in the previous years too.. and it just so happens, many of those people were on the committee investigating Benghazi. Can someone say 'conflict of interest'?


Now, let's look at that so called 'voted for obama 6 times'' claim'> Yes, someone put in an absentee ballad, and also voted in person. Her explanation is that she forgot she voted absentee.. have you ever forgotten anything? I know I have. Rather than a huge conspiracy .. it looks like human error and forgetfulness. OH My. such a scandal that is. Mind you, it SHOULD have been caught at the poles, by the republican poll watcher.. because that's their job.


All in all, it appears to me that certain republican groups are manufactoring scandals, and hoping something sticks;.

[dianaiad]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

Sorry EoE, you're right on alot of other issues, but you're simply wrong on this issue. What the IRS did is called profiling. The IRS singled out a group of people for additional scrutiny. I want airports to single out Muslims for additional scrutiny, so I cannot object to what the IRS did. If you're in favor of profiling Muslims are airports, which I am, then you cannot object to the IRS profiling conservatives.

Yes, the IRS did place an undue burden on conservative groups. But, the same is true for Muslims who are profiled at airports. An undue burden is placed upon them, and I really don't care about the burden.

The problem with your theory is the motive. Profiling Muslims at airports (which is, btw, very carefully NOT done) would be because right now the majority of terrorist attacks are committed BY Muslims....not by little old ladies with fake knees. The problem, of course, is that it is the little old ladies with fake knees (which set off the metal detectors) who get pulled out of line, not the Muslim.

Unless s/he has fake knees.

The motive behind going after conservative groups is strictly political; using the full might and power of the US government to go after political opponents for the purpose of affecting elections in the favor of the incumbent. If you can't see the difference here, you have a rather large problem.

Of course, after typing all this, I have the feeling that you do get this, and your post was an example of a Jonothan Swift style satirical bit.

[WinePusher]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

Sorry EoE, you're right on alot of other issues, but you're simply wrong on this issue. What the IRS did is called profiling. The IRS singled out a group of people for additional scrutiny. I want airports to single out Muslims for additional scrutiny, so I cannot object to what the IRS did. If you're in favor of profiling Muslims are airports, which I am, then you cannot object to the IRS profiling conservatives.

Yes, the IRS did place an undue burden on conservative groups. But, the same is true for Muslims who are profiled at airports. An undue burden is placed upon them, and I really don't care about the burden.

The problem with your theory is the motive. Profiling Muslims at airports (which is, btw, very carefully NOT done) would be because right now the majority of terrorist attacks are committed BY Muslims....not by little old ladies with fake knees. The problem, of course, is that it is the little old ladies with fake knees (which set off the metal detectors) who get pulled out of line, not the Muslim.

Unless s/he has fake knees.

The motive behind going after conservative groups is strictly political; using the full might and power of the US government to go after political opponents for the purpose of affecting elections in the favor of the incumbent. If you can't see the difference here, you have a rather large problem.

Of course, after typing all this, I have the feeling that you do get this, and your post was an example of a Jonothan Swift style satirical bit.

No, I don't get your logic because it's flawed. Liberals would say the exact same thing you said when it comes to Islamic profiling. They would assert that Islamic profiling is purely political driven by the Republican party's inherent Islamophobia and bigotry. I'm simply saying that if you're a conservative, be consistent. I also think it's misplaced for conservatives in the media to call this a scandal when it clearly isn't.

There are real scandals regarding the Benghazi lies and the NSA's assualt on the 4th amendment that should be focused on, not trivial issues like this one.

[dianaiad]

This whole IRS scandal is an attempt to keep conservatives out of the political arena. To the government, the process is a punishment, and when the process is unduly burdensome, discriminatory, and takes years, you're out of the political game. Yet another example of leftist hypocrisy.

Sorry EoE, you're right on alot of other issues, but you're simply wrong on this issue. What the IRS did is called profiling. The IRS singled out a group of people for additional scrutiny. I want airports to single out Muslims for additional scrutiny, so I cannot object to what the IRS did. If you're in favor of profiling Muslims are airports, which I am, then you cannot object to the IRS profiling conservatives.

Yes, the IRS did place an undue burden on conservative groups. But, the same is true for Muslims who are profiled at airports. An undue burden is placed upon them, and I really don't care about the burden.

The problem with your theory is the motive. Profiling Muslims at airports (which is, btw, very carefully NOT done) would be because right now the majority of terrorist attacks are committed BY Muslims....not by little old ladies with fake knees. The problem, of course, is that it is the little old ladies with fake knees (which set off the metal detectors) who get pulled out of line, not the Muslim.

Unless s/he has fake knees.

The motive behind going after conservative groups is strictly political; using the full might and power of the US government to go after political opponents for the purpose of affecting elections in the favor of the incumbent. If you can't see the difference here, you have a rather large problem.

Of course, after typing all this, I have the feeling that you do get this, and your post was an example of a Jonothan Swift style satirical bit.

No, I don't get your logic because it's flawed. Liberals would say the exact same thing you said when it comes to Islamic profiling. They would assert that Islamic profiling is purely political driven by the Republican party's inherent Islamophobia and bigotry. I'm simply saying that if you're a conservative, be consistent. I also think it's misplaced for conservatives in the media to call this a scandal when it clearly isn't.

There are real scandals regarding the Benghazi lies and the NSA's assualt on the 4th amendment that should be focused on, not trivial issues like this one.

If you think this is trivial, you aren't paying attention to the constitution. I'm not saying that the NSA and Benghazi are less important; indeed, the piling up of problems with this administration are simply adding importance to importance; every single thing that is coming out shows up the incredible disrespect this administration has for the American people.

But this IRS targeting of Conservative groups; that should strike home as the others do not; not simply because of who the targets are, but because the IRS actually thinks it can DO this...and because there are folks out there (like you) who call it trivial that this extremely powerful government agency, one that can destroy lives at a whim, has so little an ethical foundation that it can be used in this way. Nobody is safe, conservative, liberal, libertarian, green party...you name it. THIS is so fundamental an attack on free speech and freedom that it, I think, trumps pretty much everything.