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In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.
Why do Muslims react so violently to harmless things like "insulting and insensitive cartoons?"

Will Islam ever join the world in debate rather than reacting with violence and war?
Muslims Again Protest Muhammad Caricatures

By QASSIM ABDEL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer

Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad were published.

Angry protests against the drawings were spread in the Muslim world.

In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after Friday mosque services, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in Basra and hundreds at a Baghdad mosque. Danish flags were burned at both demonstrations.

Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published them.

The caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb, were reprinted in papers in Norwegian, French, German and even Jordanian after first appearing in a Danish paper in September. The drawings were republished after Muslims decried the images as insulting to their prophet. Dutch-language newspapers in Belgium and two Italian right-wing papers reprinted the drawings Friday.

Islamic law, based on clerics' interpretation of the Quran and the sayings of the prophet, forbids depiction's of the Prophet Muhammad and other major religious figures — even positive ones — to prevent idolatry. Shiite Muslim clerics differ in that they allow images of their greatest saint, Ali, the prophet's son-in-law, though not Muhammad.

Danish Prime Minister Fogh Rasmussen, in a meeting with the Egyptian ambassador, reiterated his stance that the government cannot interfere with issues concerning the press. On Monday, he said his government could not apologize on behalf of a newspaper, but that he personally "never would have depicted Muhammad, Jesus or any other religious character in a way that could offend other people."

Early Friday, Palestinian militants threw a bomb at a French cultural center in Gaza City, and many Palestinians began boycotting European goods, especially those from Denmark.

"Whoever defames our prophet should be executed," said Ismail Hassan, 37, a tailor who marched through the pouring rain along with hundreds of others in the West Bank city of Ramallah.

"Bin Laden our beloved, Denmark must be blown up," protesters in Ramallah chanted.

In mosques throughout Palestinian cities, clerics condemned the cartoons. An imam at the Omari Mosque in Gaza City told 9,000 worshippers that those behind the drawings should have their heads cut off.

"If they want a war of religions, we are ready," Hassan Sharaf, an imam in Nablus, said in his sermon.

About 10,000 demonstrators, including gunmen from the Islamic militant group Hamas firing in the air, marched through Gaza City to the Palestinian legislature, where they climbed on the roof, waving green Hamas banners.

"We are ready to redeem you with our souls and our blood our beloved prophet," they chanted. "Down, Down Denmark."

Thousands of protesters in the center of Nablus burned at least 10 Danish flags. In Jenin, about 1,500 people demonstrated, burning Danish dairy products. Hundreds protested in Jericho, and protests were held in towns throughout Gaza.

Fearing an outbreak of violence, Israel barred all Palestinians under age 45 from praying at Jerusalem's Al Aqsa Mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site.

Nevertheless, about 100 men chanting Islamic slogans and carrying a green Hamas flag demonstrated outside Jerusalem's Old City on Friday afternoon. The crowd scattered when police on horseback arrived, and some of the protesters threw rocks. Police broke up a second demonstration at Damascus Gate with tear gas and stun grenades.

In Iraq, the country's top Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, decried the drawings but did not call for protests.

"We strongly denounce and condemn this horrific action," he said in a statement posted on his Web site and dated Tuesday.

Al-Sistani, who wields enormous influence over Iraq's majority Shiites, made no call for protests and suggested that militant Muslims were partly to blame for distorting Islam's image.

He referred to "misguided and oppressive" segments of the Muslim community and said their actions "projected a distorted and dark image of the faith of justice, love and brotherhood."

"Enemies have exploited this ... to spread their poison and revive their old hatreds with new methods and mechanisms," he said.

The drawings were first published in September in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten. The issue reignited last week after Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador to Denmark and many European newspapers reprinted them this week.

The Jyllands-Posten had asked 40 cartoonists to draw images of the prophet. The purpose, its chief editor said, was "to examine whether people would succumb to self-censorship, as we have seen in other cases when it comes to Muslim issues."

The 12 caricatures have prompted boycotts of Danish goods, bomb threats and demonstrations in front of Danish embassies across the Islamic world. Muslims have also directed their anger at other European countries, with Palestinian gunmen briefly kidnapping a German citizen Thursday and surrounding European Union headquarters in Gaza.

Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan was quoted as saying the caricatures are an attack on "our spiritual values" which have damaged efforts to establish an alliance between the Muslim world and Europe.

Hundreds of Turks emerging from mosques following Friday prayers staged demonstrations, including one in front of the Danish consulate in Istanbul.

"Hands that reach Islam must be broken," chanted a group of extremists outside the Merkez Mosque in Istanbul.

In Jakarta, Indonesia, more than 150 hardline Muslims stormed a high-rise building housing the Danish Embassy on Friday and tore down and burned the country's flag.

Pakistan's parliament unanimously voted to condemn the drawings as a "vicious, outrageous and provocative campaign" that has "hurt the faith and feelings of Muslims all over the world." About 800 people protested in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad, chanting "Death to Denmark" and "Death to France." Another rally in the southern city of Karachi drew 1,200 people.

Fundamentalist Muslims protested outside the Danish Embassy in Malaysia, chanting "Long live Islam, destroy our enemies."

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw criticized European media outlets for republishing the caricatures as demonstrators prepared to take to the streets of London.

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Associated Press Writers Qassim Abdul-Zahra and Sinan Salaheddin in Baghdad, Iraq; Selcan Hacaoglu in Ankara, Turkey; Benjamin Harvey in Istanbul, Turkey; Maria Sanminiatelli in Rome; Jan M. Olsen in Copenhagen, Denmark; Munir Ahmad in Islamabad, Pakistan; and Irwan Firdaus in Jakarta, Indonesia, contributed to this report.


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Wyvern wrote:So given your beliefs jcrawford what would you do if your child came back from school one day happily extolling the wonders of Satanism that their teacher taught them?
They do that now after being taught Darwinism. Since I am Christian, I would only recommend Christian, Jewish and Muslim clergy apply for teaching positions and that Religious Studies would only be electives chosen by the parents of the student for their child.
I dont know what country you're living in but doctors won't and don't perform unasked and unwanted abortions, but if you can find some proof of this practice please do the AMA along with a number of other organizations would be very interested.
I live in New York City, the secular abortion capitol of the secular USA, where unwanted secular abortions are performed by unwanted secular murderers on Christian teenagers and Christian wives every day. In the name of God and his avenging angels, Christian, Jewish and Muslim Fathers call on the SCOTUS to put a stop this unwanted secular medical murder of Christian, Jewish and Muslim babies today. Otherwise you will have blood on your own hands when your judgement comes.

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jcrawford wrote:Not as long as the corrupt politicians they vote for continue to deny their clergy the right to teach religion in public schools. The public schools belong to the clergy as much as anyone else, no?
So let's bring on the Comparative Religion course, so all of these clergy, ministers, mullahs, wiccans, and satanists can teach. This won't satisfy you, though--you want only one religion taught, and you want it taught instead of science.
Since you are publically lying about what I want, I wonder whether you are intentionally trying to defame me. For your own personal information and the public record, I want Christian, Islamic and Jewish clergy to teach their religion as an elective in public schools. In addition, I want Christians, Jews and Muslims to teach science classes also.

I don't want to discriminate against teachers or students on the basis of sex, race, religion or country of national origin. Do you?
We might note, by the way, that the corrupt politicians who were voted for are now in the majority in both houses of Congress. Perhaps you're right; we should throw 'em out, and bring in people who are not so narrow-minded.
Absolutely. Replace them all with priests, pastors, imams, rabbis and any other clergy you please, but please, please, please, get rid of all those secular lawyers and liars in Congress, the Senate and on the SCOTUS.

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1John2_26 wrote:It's so interesting to see the Gospel lumped with Islaimic terrorists. It's a fascinating thing to watch "real" satanism at work.
jcrawford wrote:
Not as long as the corrupt politicians they vote for continue to deny their clergy the right to teach religion in public schools. The public schools belong to the clergy as much as anyone else, no?
Could we have sound Christian teachers and not "liberal theologians" and "liberal scholars" for a change? It would be a very popular class to see that kind of actual religion comaparison.
Forget comparitive religion courses taught by secularists. You don't have comparitive science courses, do you? We need to stop discriminating against religious people and the clergy in our public schools. It is illegal and in violation of American Civil Rights. I advocate the clergy teaching their religions and religious views in public schools as electives. No one is forced to attend these classes and the state may not prohibit the teaching of religion by the clergy in public schools. It's called freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and academic freedom, in case you have never heard of such things.
This won't satisfy you, though--you want only one religion taught, and you want it taught instead of science.
This quote and the following quotes were not mine and shouldn't be regarded as anything I wrote. Love ya,' John.

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juliod wrote:How many feminists do you see designing thermobaric bombs to burn and asphixiate the enemy?
Probably not too many, if any. They're too busy killing American babies (40 million to date) to worry about exterminating any other form of biological life.

Come to America, O ye persecuted masses of Muslims.
What's the difference between us and the islamic terrorists?
None, with domestic terrorists like medical abortionists and feminists in our midst for the last 33 years. (40 million butchered and still counting in this secular holocaust) Come to America, O ye masses of Islamic men and pregnant Muslim women. Bring your other God-fearing children too.
We are much better at killing and maiming than they are.
Yes, modern secularists in Europe and America are much better at killing innocent life than even the secular nazis or commies were.
Stick that up your "christian morality". DanZ
What is your morality based on?

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1John2_26 wrote:I think it's been a few hundred years since Christians carried guns while on missionary work.
I highly recommend all peace loving and Christian Law abiding citizens join the pistol-packin' and rifle totin' Christian NRA and learn a little about ballistic self-defense, since Christ gave his life so that we could live ours in domestic tranquility and peace, as guaranteed in the preamble to our US Christian Constitution.

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1John2_26 wrote:
I think it's been a few hundred years since Christians carried guns while on missionary work.

I highly recommend all peace loving and Christian Law abiding citizens join the pistol-packin' and rifle totin' Christian NRA and learn a little about ballistic self-defense, since Christ gave his life so that we could live ours in domestic tranquility and peace, as guaranteed in the preamble to our US Christian Constitution.
Nice of you to Michael Moore my reply. Edited to show a narrow-minded political agenda of socialist intolerance of freedoms.

I have no use for guns so your barking at the wrong person. But you may want to learn about the right of people to keep and bear arms. A well regulated militia is to fight against the tyranny inhernt in ones own government. NOTE: It is the left that wants to take away gun ownership from the people. Wherever these horrid people setup up political power they take away the rights of the people to defend themselves against the socialists.

Very USSR and Nazi Germany comrade. Both "socialist" countries. No doubt what Democrats have in store for America.

Remember that Christians are persecuted and killed by Muslim's too.

Especially unarmed Christians.

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Interesting word coming out of Europe?
Can Europe Be Saved?

One of the key points that Middle East historian Bernard Lewis makes in his classic "What Went Wrong: The Clash Between Islam and Modernity in the Middle East"is that, unlike Christianity, Islam never developed the concept of the separation of secular and religious--church and state, if you will. Nor, obviously, is freedom of the press a principle enshrined in Islamic countries.

That is why heavily-orchestrated rioting over the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad gave columnist Mark Steyne the opportunity to pen the following lines:

"I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.

"Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have."

Yes, the riots would be funny if they were just bit frightening. All that backward rage. Goodness knows, I've complained often enough about the way Christians and Christianity are treated in the press--but I draw the line at rioting. You can't have freedom unless people are free to do distasteful things. This comes up against Islamic strictures on the portrayal of Muhammad. So we do things our way in our own countries? Victor Davis Hanson, my favorite living historian, thinks that the riots and other excesses have stiffened the spine of Europe.

In a piece titled"European Awakening Against Islamic Fascism?," he writes:

"[S]uddenly in 2006, the Europeans seem to have collectively resuscitated. The Madrid bombings, the murder of Theo van Gogh, the London subway attacks, and the French rioting in October and November seem to have prompted at least some Europeans at last to question their once hallowed sense of multiculturalism in which Muslim minorities were not asked to assimilate at home and Islamic terrorists abroad were seen as mere militants or extremists rather than enemies bent on destroying the West.

"On January 19, Jacques Chirac warned that his military would use its nuclear forces to target states that sponsored terrorism against France—El Cid braggadocio that made George Bush’s past Wild West lingo like ‘smoke ‘em out’ and ‘dead or alive’ seem Pollyannaish by comparison. Not long after, it was disclosed that the French and the Americans have coordinated their efforts to keep Syria out of Lebanon and to isolate Bashar Assad’s shaky Syrian regime. And in a recent news conference Donald Rumsfeld and the new German defense minister Franz Josef Jung sounded as if they were once more the old allies of the past, fighting shoulder to shoulder against terrorists who would like to do to Berlin what they did to New York."

I hope that Europe will save herself. But I wonder if a liberal secularism is enough to mobilize the West. Interestingly, as Christopher Caldwell wrote in this week's New York Times magazine, many Muslims exist on the fringes of a European welfare state. To survive, Europe is going to have to find in her own heritage something worth preserving. Multiculturalism has failed.

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Can Europe Be Saved?
If only there were a way to tell what they are being saved from. In this question, there are an infinite amount of possible ways to answer. The rest of the article is an account from an obscure world-view.

It says absolutely nothing John.

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Multiculturalism has failed.
America has the same societal carcinogenic attacking the health of its body.

"Multicultuarism" is socialism. The welfare state.

It has failed.

Muslims desire a multicultural state as well. Every culture be Islamic. Simple. But not for those of us that are repulsed by Islam. Guess what is offered to us? Hey, you don't have to. Turn on the TV. Even Europe is awakening from its latte and red wine stupor.

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Muslims desire a multicultural state as well. Every culture be Islamic. Simple. But not for those of us that are repulsed by Islam. Guess what is offered to us? Hey, you don't have to. Turn on the TV. Even Europe is awakening from its latte and red wine stupor.
Please be more specific. Not all Muslims desire their government to a theocracy, nor do all Muslims want every culture to be Islamic. It's certainly not simple. To make proclamations about all Muslims in the way you have derives either out of ignorance (self-imposed or otherwise), dishonesty, or fear. Surely, other factors are at play in such narrow discourse, but for the sake of rationality and reasonability (which you yourself tout proudly as foundational in your thinking) be more responsible in your presentation of Muslims... and for that matter liberals, "humanist-secularists," and homosexuals.
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