Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
The votes are being manipulated
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Post #2Even if what you say is true, why would you think this is anything new or a good reason to revolt?MyReality wrote:Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
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Post #3Everything i said has been verified and anyone can see it even without others verification. But I'm not stating a full blown bloody revolution like the French, im stating to march into Washington D.C. and throw every charlatan, every greedy corrupt official out on the streets and explain why they are selling our freedoms to corporations.Wyvern wrote:Even if what you say is true, why would you think this is anything new or a good reason to revolt?MyReality wrote:Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
I don't know if you have been keeping up with what has been passing in the house lately, becuase it is frightening the amount of power the government has over us now. I do not want to be detained one day, without trial, and without a release date, because i spoke out against the government to a degree that they feel is annoying/threatening.
The reason i feel it is time for one, is the fact that during elections the people are the most active in government activities and is most likely to do something about it now rather then shrug their shoulders and hope someone else does it for them.
The U.S.A. downfall is the complacency of the people, and it is frustrating how people will let the thieves keep stealing as long as it does not directly effect their own circle.
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Post #4Ron Paul is being ignored because he isn't relevant. Sorry, he simply isn't. His ideas don't resonate with the republican base, he is falling further and further behind in the polls, and has yet to win a single primary or caucus, unlike everyone else running. Also, his ideas are spectacularly bad and will devastate 99% of Americans were they ever to be implemented, but that is a side issue.MyReality wrote:Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
As for the SC dead people, predictably, that turned out to be a non-issue. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201250011
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-demo ... ckly-dying
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/ ... h-carolina
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/corey-hut ... f=politics
As for a revolution, maybe, but certainly not in the direction most of the Ron Paul supporters want to take things. That happens, you can kiss democracy goodbye.
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Post #5It is not up to the Media to determine who is relevant and who is not. They are to report who the candidates are and to give unbiased information about these candidates. That is not happening and should not be happening. With the media doing this, they are sufficiently manipulating the elections in this way. The reason he has not been leading the poles is because of the MEDIA lack of coverage! He has enormous support everywhere and he has major Global support as well.Abraxas wrote:Ron Paul is being ignored because he isn't relevant. Sorry, he simply isn't. His ideas don't resonate with the republican base, he is falling further and further behind in the polls, and has yet to win a single primary or caucus, unlike everyone else running. Also, his ideas are spectacularly bad and will devastate 99% of Americans were they ever to be implemented, but that is a side issue.MyReality wrote:Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
As for the SC dead people, predictably, that turned out to be a non-issue. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201250011
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-demo ... ckly-dying
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/ ... h-carolina
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/corey-hut ... f=politics
As for a revolution, maybe, but certainly not in the direction most of the Ron Paul supporters want to take things. That happens, you can kiss democracy goodbye.
Ron Paul is very relevant on how America should be run, he has so far dominated every single debate he has had the chance to participate in. He is the only one that has had a clean political record. He is the only one that has kept to his word and has not flip flopped in his time in office.He is the only one that has successfully predicted everything that is wrong with the system today.
His idea's are to bring America back in control of the people, to bring back troops from needless wars, bring down the debt, stop torture, etc....
So far all the other candidates are just spewing drivel without explaining how they are going to meet their goals. They concentrate on torture policies, foreign aid, war, their taxes, etc... Not once have they mentioned anything about how they are going to overturn and get rid of all the passing laws that strip away American's rights. Everybody except Ron Paul, an Christian who believes in creationism, and this Atheist is going to vote for him.
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Post #6Who are you to tell the media what they should and should not be doing? You say you support Ron Paul, the primary staple of his being the free market. Well, if that is true, aren't they free to report on whatever will get them the most profit, what will get them the greatest market share? That is the libertarian ideal, after all, that through maximum freedom and individual actors making their own choices the greatest good is served. If the interest is there for Ron Paul, if he has the support you say he has, why aren't the media outlets reporting on him to boost ratings and thus profit? By your own philosophy, you must concede reporting on Ron Paul for one reason or another must not be in the interests of the media and so under the free market system you should not expect them to. Or perhaps you think there should be a law or maybe a state run media outlet to ensure fairness, yes?MyReality wrote:It is not up to the Media to determine who is relevant and who is not. They are to report who the candidates are and to give unbiased information about these candidates. That is not happening and should not be happening. With the media doing this, they are sufficiently manipulating the elections in this way. The reason he has not been leading the poles is because of the MEDIA lack of coverage!Abraxas wrote:Ron Paul is being ignored because he isn't relevant. Sorry, he simply isn't. His ideas don't resonate with the republican base, he is falling further and further behind in the polls, and has yet to win a single primary or caucus, unlike everyone else running. Also, his ideas are spectacularly bad and will devastate 99% of Americans were they ever to be implemented, but that is a side issue.MyReality wrote:Anyone noticing something is incredibly off in this years election? Much more so than any time i can remember. The media is increasingly editing and censoring against Ron Paul and over 900 Dead People voted in South Carolina!
My question for debate is: Is it about time for another Revolution?
As for the SC dead people, predictably, that turned out to be a non-issue. http://mediamatters.org/blog/201201250011
http://www.examiner.com/charleston-demo ... ckly-dying
http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/ ... h-carolina
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/corey-hut ... f=politics
As for a revolution, maybe, but certainly not in the direction most of the Ron Paul supporters want to take things. That happens, you can kiss democracy goodbye.
If that were true he would not be doing so poorly everywhere except the internet.He has enormous support everywhere and he has major Global support as well.
So say the Ron Paulites and nobody else. That he has been losing ground over time suggests from an objective perspective this is not the case.Ron Paul is very relevant on how America should be run, he has so far dominated every single debate he has had the chance to participate in.
Perhaps, but that just reveals the state of the Republican party as being incredibly dysfunctional. If I were to accept the premise Ron Paul is the best the Republicans have to offer then I must conclude the entire field is without redeeming characteristics.He is the only one that has had a clean political record. He is the only one that has kept to his word and has not flip flopped in his time in office.He is the only one that has successfully predicted everything that is wrong with the system today.
No, his ideas put America even further in control of the highest concentrations of wealth than they already are, multinationals.His idea's are to bring America back in control of the people,
I agree, that one would be nice.to bring back troops from needless wars,
Yes, by eviscerating the middle and working classes of America. Paying off the debt by selling a pound of American flesh at a time is not a position to be lauded nor accepted.bring down the debt,
It is a sad commentary that this is all the higher the bar is anymore.stop torture, etc....
That is your prerogative, however, I still hold that nobody who would continue to associate themselves with the Republican Party is worth voting for.So far all the other candidates are just spewing drivel without explaining how they are going to meet their goals. They concentrate on torture policies, foreign aid, war, their taxes, etc... Not once have they mentioned anything about how they are going to overturn and get rid of all the passing laws that strip away American's rights. Everybody except Ron Paul, an Christian who believes in creationism, and this Atheist is going to vote for him.
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Post #7As a notice, I'll be putting up both my posts in our debate during the middle of next week.
Really? Cutting useless governmental departments and repealing worthless and costly legislation is going to eviscerate the middle class?
The only control a multinational has is over its own internal affairs. We would have seen the destruction of many multinationals two years if we had listened to people like Ron Paul, Peter Schiff and the like.Abraxas wrote:No, his ideas put America even further in control of the highest concentrations of wealth than they already are, multinationals.
bring down the debt,
Abraxas wrote:Yes, by eviscerating the middle and working classes of America. Paying off the debt by selling a pound of American flesh at a time is not a position to be lauded nor accepted.
Really? Cutting useless governmental departments and repealing worthless and costly legislation is going to eviscerate the middle class?
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Post #8I have every right to think that the media needs to change how they are handling things, when the very news, the very flow of information that the general public relies on to choose who their going to vote into office that will affect there very future, i believe the news media has a responsibility to report all the information that is relevant to making said decision. They CLEARLY lie if not report at all about the polls when it comes to Ron Paul. By reporting altered news articles and misrepesenting the truth is down right criminal. After all we have freedom of speech, but that does not make it ok to alter the information you are giving. Perjury is against the law, lying and or withholding information to police officers is against the law, lying to your boss or changing your story to make it more appealing could get you fired if you were found out. Plus much more. Why should we hold a business whose purpose is to relay some of the most important piece of information to us, at lower standards?Who are you to tell the media what they should and should not be doing? You say you support Ron Paul, the primary staple of his being the free market. Well, if that is true, aren't they free to report on whatever will get them the most profit, what will get them the greatest market share? That is the libertarian ideal, after all, that through maximum freedom and individual actors making their own choices the greatest good is served. If the interest is there for Ron Paul, if he has the support you say he has, why aren't the media outlets reporting on him to boost ratings and thus profit? By your own philosophy, you must concede reporting on Ron Paul for one reason or another must not be in the interests of the media and so under the free market system you should not expect them to. Or perhaps you think there should be a law or maybe a state run media outlet to ensure fairness, yes?
That's just it, he is not doing as bad as he should be, if this were not the case, after all he is always up there in the polls. Even though i express that the polls are being manipulated. (I must insist that i am not one to give into conspiracy theories, but the evidence is piling up. As hard as that is to believe at the moment.)Quote:If that were true he would not be doing so poorly everywhere except the internet.He has enormous support everywhere and he has major Global support as well.
He also broke the record for online fundraising at $6 million, the previous record holder was himself at 5.7 million. In 24 hours!
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/200 ... ising.html
When he enters a debate he dominates it, he has been losing ground because of the lack of time he has been given to voice his opinions in all the debates.Quote:
So say the Ron Paulites and nobody else. That he has been losing ground over time suggests from an objective perspective this is not the case.Ron Paul is very relevant on how America should be run, he has so far dominated every single debate he has had the chance to participate in.
In the South Carolina Debate he was only allocated with 90 seconds! In an one hour televised debate! He was given 10minutes during the CNN debate, most of it came from the ONLINE-ONLY ending part of the debate.
CNN even silenced a soldier that was speaking for Ron Paul. Luckily a fellow reporter overheard the CNN crew talking about pulling the plug and he got to speak in front of the crowd. Stupid on his part since he was in uniform, but it did more good overall.
CNN Feed Drops as War Hero Praises Ron Paul's Foreign Policy
Ron Paul Brings Back Soldier Silenced By CNN
http://www.ronpaul.com/category/ron-pauls-debates/
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... na-debate/
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron- ... 32406.html
I agree, but i'm afraid we cannot just shrug our shoulders and say whatever. So either vote the best man in, or repair the system. I opt for repairing the system, as i already made clear.Quote:Perhaps, but that just reveals the state of the Republican party as being incredibly dysfunctional. If I were to accept the premise Ron Paul is the best the Republicans have to offer then I must conclude the entire field is without redeeming characteristics.He is the only one that has had a clean political record. He is the only one that has kept to his word and has not flip flopped in his time in office.He is the only one that has successfully predicted everything that is wrong with the system today.
So it happens sooner rather then later, this way though the healing process can begin on this big wound, rather then letting necrosis set in without any hope of recovery. There is no easy fix to any of this, to say otherwise is overwhelmingly naive. We are not going to fix it with the Democrats, We are not going to fix it with the Republicans. We are simply not going to fix it over a 4-8 year period. But continuing down this current path is the best way to make sure nothing gets better. Also the government has already sold more then half our debt to China. So the selling a pound of flesh is irrelevant at this point.Yes, by eviscerating the middle and working classes of America. Paying off the debt by selling a pound of American flesh at a time is not a position to be lauded nor accepted.Quote:
bring down the debt,
I don't think anyone on either side is worth voting for. But Ron Paul is the only candidate that goes against the mold for a change, and i am willing to try something radical instead of putting in another puppet in office. But either way change is coming, be it forcefully or peacefully.Quote:
That is your prerogative, however, I still hold that nobody who would continue to associate themselves with the Republican Party is worth voting for.So far all the other candidates are just spewing drivel without explaining how they are going to meet their goals. They concentrate on torture policies, foreign aid, war, their taxes, etc... Not once have they mentioned anything about how they are going to overturn and get rid of all the passing laws that strip away American's rights. Everybody except Ron Paul, an Christian who believes in creationism, and this Atheist is going to vote for him.
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It’s funny that you don’t see the irony in arguing for both free markets and higher standards.MyReality wrote:I have every right to think that the media needs to change how they are handling things, ... Why should we hold a business whose purpose is to relay some of the most important piece of information to us, at lower standards?Abraxas wrote: ... You say you support Ron Paul, the primary staple of his being the free market. Well, if that is true, aren't they free to report on whatever will get them the most profit, what will get them the greatest market share? That is the libertarian ideal, after all ...
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I find it funny you taking choice words out of my reply and putting them into a different context.nursebenjamin wrote:It’s funny that you don’t see the irony in arguing for both free markets and higher standards.MyReality wrote:I have every right to think that the media needs to change how they are handling things, ... Why should we hold a business whose purpose is to relay some of the most important piece of information to us, at lower standards?Abraxas wrote: ... You say you support Ron Paul, the primary staple of his being the free market. Well, if that is true, aren't they free to report on whatever will get them the most profit, what will get them the greatest market share? That is the libertarian ideal, after all ...
