Sharia law and American values

[RobertUrbanek]

Is Sharia law compatible with American values? If not, would you turn away immigrants who have stated their goal is to impose Sharia law in the U.S.?

[100%atheist]

The only lives at risk are the unborn child's.

That is you don't care about people after they are born. Got it. Have a nice weekend. Hope you are not my neighbor.

I care about people enough not to want to bankrupt this country with the Obamacare scheme.

Yeh, sure, let me guess ... you just don't want to pay taxes. And you want a law that would enforce woman to give birth to unwanted children. So those children will suffer more and more, will get poorer and poorer and become an easy prey for churches.

If you think government should find a way to enforce woman to give birth to unwanted children, I don't see how you can have any moral objection against the government imposing 30%-40% tax rate on you. There is no free cheese. If you attempt to get it always in a way that satisfies your personal little agenda then I advice you to read Das Kapital so you are aware of the future of this country.

[Wyvern]

An unborn child isn't part of a mother's body any more than a slave was the owner's property.

It's simply amazing how you are trying to conflate pregnancy with slavery. Stranger still is your idea that a slave was not property and in fact had no right to control what happened to their bodies much like how you want to strip women of that very right.

You might say that but that doesn't make it true now does it? Plus of course it totally ignores the fact that the vast majority of criminals already belong to one religion or another and in America that means a branch of christianity.

My claim was that practicing Christians were less likely to commit crimes again.

Unless you want to be guilty of moving the goalposts please provide documentation stating such is the case.

You're the one that agreed that being prominent and influential is not a good reason for using them as a source. Is it my fault that you consider it more important to cast insults onto your political enemies than it is to defend your own claims?

Speaking of defending your own claims, how is D'Souza out of the mainstream?

So only you are allowed to have an opinion especially of such a fluid term such as mainstream? Plus of course it doesn't matter whether he is or not, what matters is that twice now you have not defended your idea that being prominent and influential is a basis for using one as a source.

Do I have to remind you that conservates outnumber liberals in the US 2 to 1, a figure which hasn't changed in decades?

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? You have made this point twice now but have not bothered to point why even if it is true that it is relevant to anything.

I simply said he was influential, again do you deny Bin Laden was influential?

Yes, and he was also clearly out of the mainstream.

First millions of muslims around the world would disagree with you and secondly did you really just say he was not influential?

I'm sure you have a quote from Obama stating this. Otherwise this is yet another of your unfounded claims.

Google 'Solyndra'. That bit of crony capitalism cost we taxpayers $500,000,000.

Yet another case of it being more important to you to denigrate your political enemies than it is to defend your claims.

You stated specifically that the nazi's went after people because of race which means if your statement is true then homosexuals are a race since it is well known that homosexuals were targeted.

Wow, you sure pack a lot of logical fallacies in one sentance. The fact gays are not a race does not mean races were not persecuted.

You're the one that stated that nazi's target races with no mention of anything else all so you could yet again denigrate your political enemies.

The documentation has been provided, your ignoring that doesn't change things. Here it is again:

"In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian Churches.[55] In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions."

We know for a fact these systematic persecution of Christian churches actually happened.

Continuing to show peoples opinions wont make it any more factual, or are you going to now say that all opinions are true?

[micatala]

The only lives at risk are the unborn child's.

That is you don't care about people after they are born. Got it. Have a nice weekend. Hope you are not my neighbor.

I care about people enough not to want to bankrupt this country with the Obamacare scheme.

The most accurate estimates we have of the overall effect of Obama's health legislation is that it will be either neutral or slightly beneficial to the deficit. I have seen no credible evidence to support the concern you raise here.

[micatala]

Here's the part you forgot: (By the way I find your 'insults' and emotes quite amusing, it's like taking to a teenage girl with alzheimer's. I don't know any other category of individuals that uses so many of them)

The mods force you to use emoticons? You have no freedom of choice not to use them? It's not that I don't like them, it just makes you seem like a teenage girl as again they are really the only ones that use them. I know of no intelligent people who feel the need to insert silly facial expressions into a conversation.

A little hard to believe, it's ok I've already assessed you mental capacity at dealing with information and it's very stereotypical of your social demographic. I don't expect you to understand information as you will either be retired or dead before the highly intelligent information age starts and your obsolete.

You are certainly free to have any opinion you wish regarding the use of emoticons. However, the fact that we make them available on the site means their use is certainly allowed. There are no grounds for criticizing another member simply for using emoticons, especially in the negative terms you are using here.

Neither is it appropriate to make negative comments about a members intellgence.

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[East of Eden]

Clearly only facts that prove your point are good enough for you. If you think scientists are subject to the same bias then you know as much about scientists as you do about history. Educate yourself:

http://www.societyofreason.com/sites/de ... _Proof.pdf

Educate yourself:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 23794.html

How is a quote from Einstein, supporting what I said an ad hominem?

Because of the double standard, you accept him with his theory, yet reject him on another subject.

You either miss the definition or are so blind you have problems reading type. Yes Einstein was aware of the problem in Germany, that is why he moved to the US. That point you gave was true in that period because it was Nazis vs child molesters and the Nazis were more obvious. If you were to ask him now (if he were still alive) the opposite would be true.

That is a completely incoherent sentence. What does child molesters have to do with anything?

How kind of you, relate to my level before I even get into the conversation (notice I pop in on page 3). Nice try with that one though, I'm glad you regard my presence so highly.

You're presence is fine, your cheap personal attacks are not.

The mods force you to use emoticons? You have no freedom of choice not to use them?

When I want your opinion about what to post, I'll ask you. That's all you've got, to whine about emoticons? You need to lighten up, and also read post #54.

It's not that I don't like them, it just makes you seem like a teenage girl as again they are really the only ones that use them. I know of no intelligent people who feel the need to insert silly facial expressions into a conversation.

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So you put those two sentences next to each other knowing they are completely unrelated?

Uh, different branches of Christianity are still Christians, my original point.

You didn't use it to support the previous statement as it's in the same paragraph? A little hard to believe, it's ok I've already assessed you mental capacity at dealing with information and it's very stereotypical of your social demographic.

What is my social demographic? Want to guess what I make?

I don't expect you to understand information as you will either be retired or dead before the highly intelligent information age starts and your obsolete.

Your hellishly great intelligence would be more believable if you knew how to spell. Should be 'you're' in the last sentence.

[East of Eden]

The only lives at risk are the unborn child's.

That is you don't care about people after they are born. Got it. Have a nice weekend. Hope you are not my neighbor.

I care about people enough not to want to bankrupt this country with the Obamacare scheme.

The most accurate estimates we have of the overall effect of Obama's health legislation is that it will be either neutral or slightly beneficial to the deficit. I have seen no credible evidence to support the concern you raise here.

Why does Obama give exemptions to his cronies, then?

http://www.naturalnews.com/031181_Obama ... ivers.html

[Polyatheist]

Educate yourself:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 23794.html

Arrhenius found evidence for global warming and published it in the last 1890's that is not a new idea. Evidence has been around for over a century so there wasn't really a coverup if you who knew what to look for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arr ... use_effect

Because of the double standard, you accept him with his theory, yet reject him on another subject.

So because Einstein was a genius physicist that means he's an expert on every topic and subject imaginable?

That is a completely incoherent sentence. What does child molesters have to do with anything?

Referring to the catholic church and the large number of scandals that have come to light in the past several decades.

You're presence is fine, your cheap personal attacks are not.

So "I don't suppose they publicize things like that link in the left-wing fever swamps you inhabit. " is not a personal attack?

Uh, different branches of Christianity are still Christians, my original point.

One follows the catholic church the other is banned from following it, I see that as a very large difference. Especially when regarding the catholic church and the nazis as that has nothing to do with other christians.

What is my social demographic? Want to guess what I make?

Well your 52 and watch Fox news, as you have stated. Would you not consider that a demographic? You can tell me what you make a year but money is just a human concept for worth that isn't applicable when you are researching the natural world.

Your hellishly great intelligence would be more believable if you knew how to spell. Should be 'you're' in the last sentence.

You flatter me, but that's a grammatical error not a spelling one. See we all make mistakes, I've read published PhD papers full of grammatical errors because scientists just don't care. Research is far more important then worrying about your grammar. Especially when most of you papers looks like this:

"A multiplex polymerase chain reaction (PCR) was conducted as described (Dupree et al. 2004), with 403 microsatellite markers from the ABI PRISM Linkage Mapping Set Version 2.5 with an average resolution of 10 cM. Following the manufacturer’s guidelines, products were analyzed on an ABI Prism 310 or 3100 and sized with the GeneScan version 3.1.2 program (PE Biosystems, Foster City, Calif., USA), and genotypes were assigned with the Genotyper version 3.6 program (PE Biosystems). A PCR product from a DNA reference sample (CEPH 1347-02) was used to monitor sizing conformity (PE Biosystems). Across the 403 markers, genotypes were ascertained on average for 95% of the 456 individuals. Mendelian incompatibilities (>0.05% of genotypes) were removed from the data prior to analyses by using the sib_clean routine"

[micatala]

I don't suppose they publicize things like that link in the left-wing fever swamps you inhabit.

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[micatala]

The only lives at risk are the unborn child's.

That is you don't care about people after they are born. Got it. Have a nice weekend. Hope you are not my neighbor.

I care about people enough not to want to bankrupt this country with the Obamacare scheme.

The most accurate estimates we have of the overall effect of Obama's health legislation is that it will be either neutral or slightly beneficial to the deficit. I have seen no credible evidence to support the concern you raise here.

Why does Obama give exemptions to his cronies, then?

http://www.naturalnews.com/031181_Obama ... ivers.html

Why are you responding to the refutation of your original unsubstantiated claim by bringing up a completely different issue?





In addition, even looking at your site, as skewed as it seems to be, consider this:

It began with 111 waivers, which gradually rose to 222, and that has now topped 733. Recipients include various cities and states, businesses, and unions, including the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). SIEU, of course, contributed $27 million to the Obama campaign back in 2008, so perhaps the union's waiver was a friendly "thank you" gift.

Taking at face value the 733 number, this includes waivers for various cities and states. How is a city or a state a "crony?"

In fact, of the 733, they seem to be able to point to only one group that is a contributor to Obama.

Sorry, this article does not even adquately support your diversionary claim, never mind your first claim.

[East of Eden]

The only lives at risk are the unborn child's.

You were talking about the federal deficit impact, I was talking about the negative impact to non-governmental entities, which is why many of them want out.

That is you don't care about people after they are born. Got it. Have a nice weekend. Hope you are not my neighbor.

I care about people enough not to want to bankrupt this country with the Obamacare scheme.

The most accurate estimates we have of the overall effect of Obama's health legislation is that it will be either neutral or slightly beneficial to the deficit. I have seen no credible evidence to support the concern you raise here.

Why does Obama give exemptions to his cronies, then?

http://www.naturalnews.com/031181_Obama ... ivers.html

Why are you responding to the refutation of your original unsubstantiated claim by bringing up a completely different issue?





In addition, even looking at your site, as skewed as it seems to be, consider this:

It began with 111 waivers, which gradually rose to 222, and that has now topped 733. Recipients include various cities and states, businesses, and unions, including the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). SIEU, of course, contributed $27 million to the Obama campaign back in 2008, so perhaps the union's waiver was a friendly "thank you" gift.

Taking at face value the 733 number, this includes waivers for various cities and states. How is a city or a state a "crony?"

In fact, of the 733, they seem to be able to point to only one group that is a contributor to Obama.

Sorry, this article does not even adquately support your diversionary claim, never mind your first claim.

You were talking about the government impact, I was talking about the impact on non-governmental entities, which is why so many want out. The neutral estimates for the government impact don't impress me. Medicare has ended up costing something like 10 times what it was estimated to.