Rise of the fourth Reich in the USA?

[oneforall57]

Is this possible to happen here in the USA one day?
Before you laugh groups like below are popping up more and more…
www.americanchristiansociety.com
www.anp14.com
http://www.thelocal.se/30036/20101105/

[Goat]

Incidentally, I object to your equating the Tea Party with the Occupy Wall Street crowd. They are on opposite sides of the political and social spectrum. The Tea Party is mostly made up of respectable and responsible citizens who want government spending cut before the country completely bankrupts itself, while the OWS crowd is mostly idle and ignorant young people out for a good time demanding more and more government handouts.

John

I am not sure your characterization of either the Tea Party or the OWS is accurate. I know many middle class with reasonable jobs that agree with the OWS crowd, and well, my description of many of the tea party advocates would not fit the civil nature of this board.

That is probably because you are a liberal. Liberals often have difficulty saying anything civil about those who disagree with them. "Nazi" is one of the nicest things I have been called. I admit I personally know only a couple of dozen Tea Party advocates, but they fit my description of them, and I certainly find their printed publications rational. My only doubt is how can the US ever cut taxes with the crippling debt the liberals want to add to now?

John

Projection there?? I wonder if you looked at what you said about the OWS crowd, and think that is 'civil'?

[JohnPaul]

Incidentally, I object to your equating the Tea Party with the Occupy Wall Street crowd. They are on opposite sides of the political and social spectrum. The Tea Party is mostly made up of respectable and responsible citizens who want government spending cut before the country completely bankrupts itself, while the OWS crowd is mostly idle and ignorant young people out for a good time demanding more and more government handouts.

John

I am not sure your characterization of either the Tea Party or the OWS is accurate. I know many middle class with reasonable jobs that agree with the OWS crowd, and well, my description of many of the tea party advocates would not fit the civil nature of this board.

That is probably because you are a liberal. Liberals often have difficulty saying anything civil about those who disagree with them. "Nazi" is one of the nicest things I have been called. I admit I personally know only a couple of dozen Tea Party advocates, but they fit my description of them, and I certainly find their printed publications rational. My only doubt is how can the US ever cut taxes with the crippling debt the liberals want to add to now?

John

Projection there?? I wonder if you looked at what you said about the OWS crowd, and think that is 'civil'?

I really and sincerely do not see anything uncivil about my description of them as "idle and ignorant young people out for a good time, demanding more and more government handouts." The truth may be offensive to you, but that is not the same as uncivil. Or are you using a liberal "politically correct" definition? Are you saying they are not young, or not ignorant, or not demanding government handouts, or what?

I grant that my description is a generalization and does not apply to every individual in these crowds. I also grant that I have not personally attended any of these OWS "occupations." However, I have read a number of reports and descriptions seen TV and a number of photos, and even heard eyewitness accounts from a couple of friends in Los Angeles. Even allowing for extensive bias, the reports are not pretty or inspiring, and depict pretty much what I described, including pissing and excrement on the streets.

I have also seen no coherent or rational report of their "demands." Who are they demanding it from? Who are they protesting against? How many trillions of dollars do they want someone to hand them? Perhaps you can explain it to me. I am willing to listen.

John

[Chase200mph]

believe it is a mistake to blame the Nazi Holocaust entirely on Christianity
Answer: Not all Christians are Nazis, I never claimed this, all Nazis are Christian however……. Thank you for an excellent post. The fact remains that the Nazi war was a Holy War, you may say Adolf Hitler was a sincere Christian….I would answer neither is any man or religion sincere outside the hidden agendas that drive all religious atrocities.


Christianity's anti-Semitic beliefs were certainly used to help the Nazis rise to power, but after the Nazis were elected to power in 1933, anti-Semitism became something else, almost a religion in itself and no longer based on political expediency or Christian prejudice.

Answer: Respectfully, this is how all religious atrocities begin and end…

The Nazi phenomenon in Germany was fascinating and complex. Can I say that without being accused of approving of it? In a way, it was separate from the military expansion and attempted domination of Europe. The military war was conducted by the Wehrmacht, the German regular army. Most of their officers may have been forced to hold token party membership, but the officers were mostly of old aristocratic German families who had no love for the Nazi "rabble." The Wehrmacht (and Luftwaffe) fought the war, but it was the SS who followed behind them and persecuted the Jews in the conquered countries.

The SS members may have been of Christian background, but, beginning in the Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth, they soon absorbed what was essentially a pagan worship of the ancient German "Fatherland" and of pure German "blood." The Jews were separated out on the basis of ethnic heritage, not by religious belief. The Jews were not seen as a threat to Christianity in Germany, but as a threat to the pure German blood. In this sense, it was not a Holy War against the Jews, but a Racial War. The Slavic people of Russia, Poland, etc, as non-Germanic, were also seen as "sub-human."

The SS eventually became large enough to form several elite military divisions of its own, the Waffen-SS, or armed SS. One or more SS officers were inserted into Wehrmacht units to ensure political loyalty, much like the political commissars in the Soviet Army, and these SS "spies" were thoroughly disliked by the Wehrmacht.

John

The Nazi phenomenon in Germany was fascinating and complex. Can I say that without being accused of approving of it? In a way, it was separate from the military expansion and attempted domination of Europe. The military war was conducted by the Wehrmacht, the German regular army. Most of their officers may have been forced to hold token party membership, but the officers were mostly of old aristocratic German families who had no love for the Nazi "rabble." The Wehrmacht (and Luftwaffe) fought the war, but it was the SS who followed behind them and persecuted the Jews in the conquered countries.

The SS members may have been of Christian background, but, beginning in the Hitlerjugend, or Hitler Youth, they soon absorbed what was essentially a pagan worship of the ancient German "Fatherland" and of pure German "blood."
Answer: Pagan being what exactly…Paganism is fascinatingly complex….(a little friendly poke, : ) ) Paganism is the bases of both the Jewish and Christian religions. In the derogatory sense of the term, both Judean and Christian beliefs condemn each other as being “Pagans�. Every denomination condemns the other with the stratification of being Pagan through believing in a different god. Son of man, son of god, just a profit, Second Commandment, follow no other gods, OK, now follow Jesus. Being Paganism is anything that is NOT found in the perspective of the denomination a Christian belongs to, any doctrine that differs from the others is Paganism in the sense of the semantics and attitudes. I could endeavor further into the vastness of the other reasons, but that takes us away from the OP and is now being addressed in the Paganism on the rise in the U.S. thread.

The Jews were separated out on the basis of ethnic heritage, not by religious belief. The Jews were not seen as a threat to Christianity in Germany, but as a threat to the pure German blood. In this sense, it was not a Holy War against the Jews, but a Racial War. The Slavic people of Russia, Poland, etc, as non-Germanic, were also seen as "sub-human."
The SS eventually became large enough to form several elite military divisions of its own, the Waffen-SS, or armed SS. One or more SS officers were inserted into Wehrmacht units to ensure political loyalty, much like the political commissars in the Soviet Army, and these SS "spies" were thoroughly disliked by the Wehrmacht.

Answer: I hope you believe me when I say, I am not trying to defend Hitler’s sincerity, and that I am not trying to defend any sense of solemn motivation Hitler may or may not have had (and that I really enjoy reading your posts). In reality it would not affect my position if it were proven Hitler didn’t believe in god at all. In my opinion there is no sincerity to be found in any organized religion or its leaders. I remember the protestant teaching us as little children that Hitler was doing us a favor in the long run. This keen little message reverberated all the way into the 60s where it met with my ears. The present day Pope says Christianity wasn’t forced upon my people (N/As), he claims we/they welcomed it…..I say sure, just like every rape victim yearns silently to be raped. True there is no single condition that set these chain of events (Christian caused chain of events) into motion. I am now speaking of the genocides in Nazi Germany and the Americas both. Both genocides shared a commonality, both were funded, and doctrinally supported by the Church, Christians and the bible. Both attempts at Genocide were a direct result of Church and State acting as a single entity, and both were the divine will of the one true god.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
The one fact that evades many a conversation today is that the Nazi Church is still alive and seeming growing. Prejudice is a powerful engine, the bible is a powerful fuel, and religion has always been the madman at the wheel.

[JohnPaul]

Chase200mph wrote:

Answer: I hope you believe me when I say, I am not trying to defend Hitler’s sincerity, and that I am not trying to defend any sense of solemn motivation Hitler may or may not have had (and that I really enjoy reading your posts). In reality it would not affect my position if it were proven Hitler didn’t believe in god at all. In my opinion there is no sincerity to be found in any organized religion or its leaders. I remember the protestant teaching us as little children that Hitler was doing us a favor in the long run. This keen little message reverberated all the way into the 60s where it met with my ears. The present day Pope says Christianity wasn’t forced upon my people (N/As), he claims we/they welcomed it…..I say sure, just like every rape victim yearns silently to be raped. True there is no single condition that set these chain of events (Christian caused chain of events) into motion. I am now speaking of the genocides in Nazi Germany and the Americas both. Both genocides shared a commonality, both were funded, and doctrinally supported by the Church, Christians and the bible. Both attempts at Genocide were a direct result of Church and State acting as a single entity, and both were the divine will of the one true god.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
The one fact that evades many a conversation today is that the Nazi Church is still alive and seeming growing. Prejudice is a powerful engine, the bible is a powerful fuel, and religion has always been the madman at the wheel.

I agree that religion has always been a madman at the wheel, and has usually been an evil madman.

I think it is difficult to judge Hitler's sincerity and state of mind. He had ambitions to conquer Europe at any cost, and was certainly mentally disturbed in his later years. He flew into irrational hysterical rages and was often manipulated and taken advantage of by his lieutenants, Himmler, Goebbels, Goring, etc. Heinrich Himmler was head of the SS and was a fanatic, more Nazi than Hitler. He was the major driving force behind the persecution of the Jews. Hitler suffered from Parkinson's disease and would have died soon after the war, even if he had not killed himself.

I know that Christians often describe any religion as pagan if it is not Christian. Perhaps Pagan was the wrong word to use to describe the mystical beliefs of the SS. Perhaps "Mystical" or "Occult" would be better. They did not worship any god, but had an extreme reverence for the "spirit" of the pure-blood German people and their ancient homeland. This might have been good if it had not been obsessed with the Jews.

My understanding of the white man's theft of the early US from the Indians--oops, that should be Native Americans! I grew up calling them Indians, and it is still often difficult for me to remember they are now Native Americans. My personal opinion of this "politically correct" name change is that it seems a little patronizing to them, but who am I to say? Anyway, I always thought the white man's theft of Indian land was mostly driven by the white man's greed for their land, not by religion, and the Christian missionaries only came into it after the Indians were conquered, and the missionaries tried to force them, sometimes brutally, to stay peaceful on the reservations, to integrate and to adapt the white man's ways. In the Spanish areas of western US and Mexico, the Christian missionaries actually participated in the enslavement of the native populations.

This reminds me of a story. When the English conquered the native Maori people of New Zealand and made the island an English colony, the Maori queen was taken to England for a ceremonial visit with English Queen Victoria. Queen Victoria asked the Maori queen how she liked the missionaries who were bringing Christianity to the Maori people in New Zealand. The Maori queen said: "The missionaries tell us to lift up our eyes to God, but when we look down again, our land is gone!"

John

[Confused]

[Yes, God often destroyed wicked nations just as we did in WWII.
Answer: Yes, Blacks, Jews, Native Americans…�Just as we did� So we are god now, seems you’ve blundered into a Freidan slip my friend.

So what? Your claim of 50 million is totally absurd, it is you atheist who have killed 100 million according to the Black Book of Communism, and without any of the tremendous charitable good Christians have done. I haven't seen many secular-humanist orphanages lately.
Answer: I sense the reasoning of a challenged childlike help me out here…. Non-believers are not an organization are they. While communism may or may not have killed in the numbers you are quoting, non-believers do not equate to being communist. You may have heard this Christian apology that you just posted from over the pulpit, but I assure you his/her Christian rendering is every bit as unaccredited as your own.


As far as Hitler, this is from Wikipedia:

Answer: Wikipedia is not a valid source my friend, while you may get away with quoting from Wikipedia in backwater high schools, it is not an academically acceptable source in itself.

"It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."[26][27] In his diary Goebbels reported that Hitler believed Jesus "also wanted to act against the Jewish world domination. Jewry had him crucified. But Paul falsified his doctrine and undermined ancient Rome."[28] Albert Speer quotes Hitler stating, "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[29]

Answer: Absolute Christian based misinformation based on abstracts needed to sooth the weakened veil of Christian faith which is disturbed by Adolf Hitler’s atrocities. Here is what Adolf Hitler had to say, note this is not what Christians claim he said and meant, but excerpts taken from his speeches. Before I post this, please note that the Nazi Uniform had a minimum of 8 to 10 Christian adornments…..

1. Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Party Represents Positive Christianity

"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."


- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP)





2. Adolf Hitler: I am a Catholic

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941


3. Adolf Hitler: Religious Life as the Highest and Most Desirable Ideal

I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 1


4. Adolf Hitler: Christianity and the Holy German Reich

As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3


5. Adolf Hitler: Significance of the Religion of Love

The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8


6. Adolf Hitler: Personification of the Devil

....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

- Adolf Hitler (following the position of Martin Luther), Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


7. Adolf Hitler: Christians Should Deal with Atheistic Jews

And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews; whereas our modern Christians enter into party politics and when elections are being held they debase themselves to beg for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with the atheistic Jewish parties against the interests of their own Christian nation.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


8. Adolf Hitler: As a Christian, I Feel that My Lord and Savior was a Fighter

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922





9. Adolf Hitler: Fascism is Closer to Christianity than Liberalism or Marxism

The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms. ...The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism...

- Adolf Hitler in an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, February 29, 1929, on the new Lateran Treaty between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican

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10. Adolf Hitler: Compromises with Atheism Destroy Religious, Ethical Values

By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech before the Reichstag, March 23, 1933, just before the Enabling Act is passed.


11. Adolf Hitler: Burn out the Poison of Immorality

Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872
1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2


In the Table Talk, Hitler praised Julian the Apostate's Three Books Against the Galilaeans, an anti-Christian tract from AD 362. In the entry dated 21 October 1941 Hitler stated, "When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed judgment with such clear-sightedness on Christianity and Christians.... the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry... and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore—of a whore and a Roman soldier. The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul.... Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely."[34]

Author Konrad Heiden has quoted Hitler as stating, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."[35] According to historian Laurence Rees, "Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."[36] Historian Richard Overy maintains that Hitler was not a "practising Christian," nor was he a "thorough atheist."[37] Hitler simplified Arthur de Gobineau's elaborate ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the Aryan race, guided by providence, was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization.[38] In Hitler's conception, Jews were enemies of all civilization, especially the Volk. Although Hitler has been called a "Social Darwinist, he was not such in the usual sense of the word. Whereas Social Darwinism stressed struggle, change, the survival of the strongest, and a ceaseless battle of competition, Hitler, through the use of modern industrial technology and impersonal bureaucratic methods ended all competition by the ruthless suppression of all opponents."[39] His understanding of Darwinism was incomplete and based loosely on the theory of "survival of the fittest" in a social context, as popularly misunderstood at the time.[40][41]

For a time Hitler advocated positive Christianity, a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which emphasized Christ as an active preacher, organizer, and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[42] Positive Christianity purged or deemphasized the Jewish aspects of Christianity and was infused with aspects of nationalism and racial antisemitism. Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself,[43] whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[44] Hitler viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus by the Apostle Paul.[45]

Historian Steigmann-Gall argues that Hitler demonstrated a preference for Protestantism over Catholicism, as Protestantism was more liable to reinterpretation and a non-traditional readings, more receptive to positive Christianity, and because some of its liberal branches had held similar views.[49][50] These views were supported by the German Christians movement, but rejected by the Confessing Church. According to Steigmann-Gall, Hitler regretted that "the churches had failed to back him and his movement as he had hoped."[51] Hitler stated to Albert Speer, "Through me the Protestant Church could become the established church, as in England."[52]

Not all the Protestant churches submitted to the state,[53] which Hitler said in Mein Kampf was important in forming a political movement. Hitler supported the appointment of Ludwig Müller as Reichsbischof over the Protestant churches, hoping that he would get them to adhere to Nazi positions. After 1935 Hitler was advised by the newly-appointed Reich Minister for Church Affairs Hans Kerrl. Many Protestants who were not persuaded by argument were arrested and their property and funds confiscated.

By 1940 it was public knowledge that Hitler had abandoned advocating for Germans even the syncretist idea of a positive Christianity.[54]

In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian Churches.[55] In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions.[56][57] "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [of church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," said the report. The most persuasive evidence came from "the systematic nature of the persecution itself."[58] However "direct evidence" of this plan might possibly be obtained through an examination of the "directives of the Reich Propaganda Ministry" or by the "questioning of Nazi newspapermen and local and regional propagandists".[58] The O.S.S. outline suggested that the plan to neutralize the Churches was conceived by Hitler and an inner circle even before the Nazis came to power,[56] however editor and historian Richard Bonney stated this conjecture was an "interesting, but undocumented, assertion."[57] The report argued that "considerations of expediency made it impossible, however, for the National Socialist movement to adopt this radical anti-Christian policy officially."[58] Historian Alan Bullock is in agreement with this view, and argues that once the war was over it was Hitler's intention to "root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches."[59] According to its own self-assessment, however, the O.S.S. "document is still seriously lacking in evidence of probative value, and is consequently ill suited to serve as the basis for an international discussion."[58]

Under the supervision of Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler moves were made to reduce Christianity's presence in German traditions, such as replacing Christian elements in Christmas carols with pagan references.[6]"


In short, after Hitler had secured power he sounded a lot like you when it comes to Christianity. His 'Positive Christianity' was specifically rejected by the Pope.

2. Adolf Hitler: Thanking God

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5


3. Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Ãœber Alles

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5


4. Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7


5. Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8


6. Adolf Hitler: Fate of God

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10


7. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


8. Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

9. Adolf Hitler: Confidence in God

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1


10. Adolf Hitler: Gold has Replaced God

It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

11. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2


12. Adolf Hitler: Creation of God

That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2


13. Adolf Hitler: Don't Just Talk About Fulfilling God's Will

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10


14. Adolf Hitler: Doing Justice to God

To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk.

- Adolf Hitler in speech about the need for a moral regeneration of German, February 10, 1933


15. Adolf Hitler: Going Where God Wills

I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 15, 1936, Munich, Germany


16. Adolf Hitler: May God Bless Us

May divine providence bless us with enough courage and enough determination to perceive within ourselves this holy German space.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 24, 1933


17. Adolf Hitler: When We Appear Before God...

We don't ask the Almighty, 'Lord, make us free!" We want to be active, to work, to work together, so that when the hour comes that we appear before the Lord we can say to him: 'Lord, you see that we have changed.' The German people is no longer a people of dishonor and shame, of self-destructiveness and cowardice. No, Lord, the German people is once more strong in spirit, strong in determination, strong in the willingness to bear every sacrifice. Lord, now bless our battle and our freedom, and therefore our German people and fatherland.

- Adolf Hitler, Prayer, May 1, 1933


18. Adolf Hitler: Fighting for the Lord's Work

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936
Adolf Hitler in Conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber

The Catholic Church should not deceive herself: if National Socialism does not succeed in defeating Bolshevism, then Church and Christianity in Europe too are finished. Bolshevism is the mortal enemy of the Church as much as of Fascism. ...Man cannot exist without belief in God. The soldier who for three and four days lies under intense bombardment needs a religious prop.

- Adolf Hitler in conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, November 4, 1936

What exactly of Jesus' words and deeds was Hitler following?

Answer: Another Christian tactic/apology is to try and distance themselves from the O/T. What did Jesus say…..well there little one, if Jesus had ever lived, Jesus was an extremely evil man. What would did he use….all of them!
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.� Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17



Jesus advocates murder and death:

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.� Revelations 19:20-21



Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, “lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.� Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12



Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.� Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9



A few other things about Jesus:

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25
Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.


Your post is nothing but untruths and rage. It is always amusing that those who don't believe in a personal God dislike Him in a personal way.

Answer: Ahh, rage…no I am sure I love the fact that my brothers and sisters children were tortured into accepting Christ in the Apache internment camps, just before their little throats were cut with a knife. The response of the Church was that it didn’t want the blood of innocent children on its conscience, so their brethren were commanded to make these children accept Jesus before being put to death. In this way they were only sending them off to Heaven, no harm, no foul.
No, I just feel the love, I embrace it warmly, just as you do…..

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[Yes, God often destroyed wicked nations just as we did in WWII.
Answer: Yes, Blacks, Jews, Native Americans…�Just as we did� So we are god now, seems you’ve blundered into a Freidan slip my friend.

So what? Your claim of 50 million is totally absurd, it is you atheist who have killed 100 million according to the Black Book of Communism, and without any of the tremendous charitable good Christians have done. I haven't seen many secular-humanist orphanages lately.
Answer: I sense the reasoning of a challenged childlike help me out here…. Non-believers are not an organization are they. While communism may or may not have killed in the numbers you are quoting, non-believers do not equate to being communist. You may have heard this Christian apology that you just posted from over the pulpit, but I assure you his/her Christian rendering is every bit as unaccredited as your own.


As far as Hitler, this is from Wikipedia:

Answer: Wikipedia is not a valid source my friend, while you may get away with quoting from Wikipedia in backwater high schools, it is not an academically acceptable source in itself.

"It was Goebbels opinion that Hitler was "deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian."[26][27] In his diary Goebbels reported that Hitler believed Jesus "also wanted to act against the Jewish world domination. Jewry had him crucified. But Paul falsified his doctrine and undermined ancient Rome."[28] Albert Speer quotes Hitler stating, "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[29]

Answer: Absolute Christian based misinformation based on abstracts needed to sooth the weakened veil of Christian faith which is disturbed by Adolf Hitler’s atrocities. Here is what Adolf Hitler had to say, note this is not what Christians claim he said and meant, but excerpts taken from his speeches. Before I post this, please note that the Nazi Uniform had a minimum of 8 to 10 Christian adornments…..

1. Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Party Represents Positive Christianity

"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."


- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP)





2. Adolf Hitler: I am a Catholic

I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941


3. Adolf Hitler: Religious Life as the Highest and Most Desirable Ideal

I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 1


4. Adolf Hitler: Christianity and the Holy German Reich

As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 3


5. Adolf Hitler: Significance of the Religion of Love

The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8


6. Adolf Hitler: Personification of the Devil

....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

- Adolf Hitler (following the position of Martin Luther), Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


7. Adolf Hitler: Christians Should Deal with Atheistic Jews

And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God; because then, as always, they used religion as a means of advancing their commercial interests. But at that time Christ was nailed to the Cross for his attitude towards the Jews; whereas our modern Christians enter into party politics and when elections are being held they debase themselves to beg for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues with the atheistic Jewish parties against the interests of their own Christian nation.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


8. Adolf Hitler: As a Christian, I Feel that My Lord and Savior was a Fighter

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. ...Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922





9. Adolf Hitler: Fascism is Closer to Christianity than Liberalism or Marxism

The fact that the Curia is now making its peace with Fascism shows that the Vatican trusts the new political realities far more than did the former liberal democracy with which it could not come to terms. ...The fact that the Catholic Church has come to an agreement with Fascist Italy ...proves beyond doubt that the Fascist world of ideas is closer to Christianity than those of Jewish liberalism or even atheistic Marxism...

- Adolf Hitler in an article in the Völkischer Beobachter, February 29, 1929, on the new Lateran Treaty between Mussolini's fascist government and the Vatican

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10. Adolf Hitler: Compromises with Atheism Destroy Religious, Ethical Values

By its decision to carry out the political and moral cleansing of our public life, the Government is creating and securing the conditions for a really deep and inner religious life. The advantages for the individual which may be derived from compromises with atheistic organizations do not compare in any way with the consequences which are visible in the destruction of our common religious and ethical values. The national Government sees in both Christian denominations the most important factor for the maintenance of our society. ...

- Adolf Hitler, speech before the Reichstag, March 23, 1933, just before the Enabling Act is passed.


11. Adolf Hitler: Burn out the Poison of Immorality

Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past ... (few) years.

- Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872
1. Adolf Hitler: Acting According to God's Will

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2


In the Table Talk, Hitler praised Julian the Apostate's Three Books Against the Galilaeans, an anti-Christian tract from AD 362. In the entry dated 21 October 1941 Hitler stated, "When one thinks of the opinions held concerning Christianity by our best minds a hundred, two hundred years ago, one is ashamed to realise how little we have since evolved. I didn't know that Julian the Apostate had passed judgment with such clear-sightedness on Christianity and Christians.... the Galilean, who later was called the Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who took up His position against Jewry... and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore—of a whore and a Roman soldier. The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul.... Paul of Tarsus (his name was Saul, before the road to Damascus) was one of those who persecuted Jesus most savagely."[34]

Author Konrad Heiden has quoted Hitler as stating, "We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany."[35] According to historian Laurence Rees, "Hitler did not believe in the afterlife, but he did believe he would have a life after death because of what he had achieved."[36] Historian Richard Overy maintains that Hitler was not a "practising Christian," nor was he a "thorough atheist."[37] Hitler simplified Arthur de Gobineau's elaborate ideas of struggle for survival between the different races, among which the Aryan race, guided by providence, was supposed to be the torchbearers of civilization.[38] In Hitler's conception, Jews were enemies of all civilization, especially the Volk. Although Hitler has been called a "Social Darwinist, he was not such in the usual sense of the word. Whereas Social Darwinism stressed struggle, change, the survival of the strongest, and a ceaseless battle of competition, Hitler, through the use of modern industrial technology and impersonal bureaucratic methods ended all competition by the ruthless suppression of all opponents."[39] His understanding of Darwinism was incomplete and based loosely on the theory of "survival of the fittest" in a social context, as popularly misunderstood at the time.[40][41]

For a time Hitler advocated positive Christianity, a militant, non-denominational form of Christianity which emphasized Christ as an active preacher, organizer, and fighter who opposed the institutionalized Judaism of his day.[42] Positive Christianity purged or deemphasized the Jewish aspects of Christianity and was infused with aspects of nationalism and racial antisemitism. Hitler never directed his attacks on Jesus himself,[43] whom Hitler regarded as an Aryan opponent of the Jews.[44] Hitler viewed traditional Christianity as a corruption of the original ideas of Jesus by the Apostle Paul.[45]

Historian Steigmann-Gall argues that Hitler demonstrated a preference for Protestantism over Catholicism, as Protestantism was more liable to reinterpretation and a non-traditional readings, more receptive to positive Christianity, and because some of its liberal branches had held similar views.[49][50] These views were supported by the German Christians movement, but rejected by the Confessing Church. According to Steigmann-Gall, Hitler regretted that "the churches had failed to back him and his movement as he had hoped."[51] Hitler stated to Albert Speer, "Through me the Protestant Church could become the established church, as in England."[52]

Not all the Protestant churches submitted to the state,[53] which Hitler said in Mein Kampf was important in forming a political movement. Hitler supported the appointment of Ludwig Müller as Reichsbischof over the Protestant churches, hoping that he would get them to adhere to Nazi positions. After 1935 Hitler was advised by the newly-appointed Reich Minister for Church Affairs Hans Kerrl. Many Protestants who were not persuaded by argument were arrested and their property and funds confiscated.

By 1940 it was public knowledge that Hitler had abandoned advocating for Germans even the syncretist idea of a positive Christianity.[54]

In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian Churches.[55] In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions.[56][57] "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [of church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," said the report. The most persuasive evidence came from "the systematic nature of the persecution itself."[58] However "direct evidence" of this plan might possibly be obtained through an examination of the "directives of the Reich Propaganda Ministry" or by the "questioning of Nazi newspapermen and local and regional propagandists".[58] The O.S.S. outline suggested that the plan to neutralize the Churches was conceived by Hitler and an inner circle even before the Nazis came to power,[56] however editor and historian Richard Bonney stated this conjecture was an "interesting, but undocumented, assertion."[57] The report argued that "considerations of expediency made it impossible, however, for the National Socialist movement to adopt this radical anti-Christian policy officially."[58] Historian Alan Bullock is in agreement with this view, and argues that once the war was over it was Hitler's intention to "root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches."[59] According to its own self-assessment, however, the O.S.S. "document is still seriously lacking in evidence of probative value, and is consequently ill suited to serve as the basis for an international discussion."[58]

Under the supervision of Alfred Rosenberg and Heinrich Himmler moves were made to reduce Christianity's presence in German traditions, such as replacing Christian elements in Christmas carols with pagan references.[6]"


In short, after Hitler had secured power he sounded a lot like you when it comes to Christianity. His 'Positive Christianity' was specifically rejected by the Pope.

2. Adolf Hitler: Thanking God

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5


3. Adolf Hitler: Deutschland Ãœber Alles

I had so often sung 'Deutschland über Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 5


4. Adolf Hitler: God's Grace Smiles

Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.

- Adolf Hitler reflecting on World War I, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7


5. Adolf Hitler: Fulfilling God's Mission

What we have to fight for is the necessary security for the existence and increase of our race and people, the subsistence of its children and the maintenance of our racial stock unmixed, the freedom and independence of the Fatherland; so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 8


6. Adolf Hitler: Fate of God

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10


7. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 11


8. Adolf Hitler: Sacrilege Against God

Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1

9. Adolf Hitler: Confidence in God

Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1


10. Adolf Hitler: Gold has Replaced God

It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2

11. Adolf Hitler: Sin Against the Will of God

It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2


12. Adolf Hitler: Creation of God

That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created?

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2


13. Adolf Hitler: Don't Just Talk About Fulfilling God's Will

The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10


14. Adolf Hitler: Doing Justice to God

To do justice to God and our own conscience, we have turned once more to the German Volk.

- Adolf Hitler in speech about the need for a moral regeneration of German, February 10, 1933


15. Adolf Hitler: Going Where God Wills

I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 15, 1936, Munich, Germany


16. Adolf Hitler: May God Bless Us

May divine providence bless us with enough courage and enough determination to perceive within ourselves this holy German space.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 24, 1933


17. Adolf Hitler: When We Appear Before God...

We don't ask the Almighty, 'Lord, make us free!" We want to be active, to work, to work together, so that when the hour comes that we appear before the Lord we can say to him: 'Lord, you see that we have changed.' The German people is no longer a people of dishonor and shame, of self-destructiveness and cowardice. No, Lord, the German people is once more strong in spirit, strong in determination, strong in the willingness to bear every sacrifice. Lord, now bless our battle and our freedom, and therefore our German people and fatherland.

- Adolf Hitler, Prayer, May 1, 1933


18. Adolf Hitler: Fighting for the Lord's Work

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936
Adolf Hitler in Conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber

The Catholic Church should not deceive herself: if National Socialism does not succeed in defeating Bolshevism, then Church and Christianity in Europe too are finished. Bolshevism is the mortal enemy of the Church as much as of Fascism. ...Man cannot exist without belief in God. The soldier who for three and four days lies under intense bombardment needs a religious prop.

- Adolf Hitler in conversation with Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber of Bavaria, November 4, 1936

What exactly of Jesus' words and deeds was Hitler following?

Answer: Another Christian tactic/apology is to try and distance themselves from the O/T. What did Jesus say…..well there little one, if Jesus had ever lived, Jesus was an extremely evil man. What would did he use….all of them!
Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.� Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17



Jesus advocates murder and death:

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.� Revelations 19:20-21



Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, “lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.� Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12



Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.� Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9



A few other things about Jesus:

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25
Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.


Your post is nothing but untruths and rage. It is always amusing that those who don't believe in a personal God dislike Him in a personal way.

Answer: Ahh, rage…no I am sure I love the fact that my brothers and sisters children were tortured into accepting Christ in the Apache internment camps, just before their little throats were cut with a knife. The response of the Church was that it didn’t want the blood of innocent children on its conscience, so their brethren were commanded to make these children accept Jesus before being put to death. In this way they were only sending them off to Heaven, no harm, no foul.
No, I just feel the love, I embrace it warmly, just as you do…..

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(This was originally for John Paul, but after reviewing what I wrote, I see I got carried away into a rant of some sort. But anyway I'm going to post this 'cos it took so long to write. But to be clear, I don't think you're an apologist for the Third Reich)

I kind of do feel the need to address this white wash of the Wehrmacht some seem to have been doing here. And of course the supposed Norse Pagan angle the nazis supposedly were big on. Hitler actually didn't like Himmlers infatuation with the pagan religions at all, and he only barely tolerated it. This is largely because part of the Nazi party "schtick" was the invocation of mythical Germanic culture that had a civilized culture thousands of years ago, and kicked Roman Empire's ass at Teutoburg. But beyond that, Hitler was fairly Catholic, he sought its support, and somewhat had it. Operation Barbarossa was after all a "crusade against Eastern Bolsheviks, Jews and atheists.

Much of what we know of Hitler's anti-Christian sentiment is from "Hitler's Table Talk", which was translated from German to French to English. Problem is that Genoud, who was the author of the French translation inserted his own anti-religious comments as Hitler's. So there's that.

http://nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources

About the Wehrmacht. Well, the white-washing of that organisation began at the moment the war ended. Of course it wouldn't have been practical to prosecute members of Wehrmacht as it was with the Waffen-SS, but the Wehrmacht as a whole was up to its neck in atrocities, and with the blanket pardon it got a multitude of war criminals got away to write their books how it wasn't their fault they lost the war. Hell, one might one say it's the national past-time for German generals, WW2 was different just that the generals blamed Hitler instead of some ethnic or political minority, as they did after WW1.

Anyway, it was Heer policy to confiscate all supplies at the occupied areas in the East, primarily to supply the Heer itself, secondly to instigate a famine which would depopulate the conquered areas to make way for German settlers, and neutralize any partisan activity. Heer army commanders like Reichenau and von Manstein gave their armies criminal orders by which the Landsers were given a blank slate to kill anyone they felt killing as suspected Bolsheviks or Jews.

Nevermind that Heer soldiers volunteered to the Einsatzgruppen -deathsquads to such extent that it had to be prohibited because it was compromising frontline security. Or that the Ostheer had to be given a general order prohibiting soldiers from using Soviet POWs as target practice because it was such a negative drain to the ammunition supplies.

The Heer was arguably at best the enabler of the genocide in the East, at worst it was doing it itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

And The Luftwaffe. If there ever was a Nazi organization beyond the SS it was Luftwaffe. Simply put of all the Wehrmacht branches Luftwaffe held to the most strict ideological standard - one didn't get be a pilot unless one atleast pretented to be a dedicated Nazi. After all, before the Luftwaffe was announced publically, the Nazi Youth seved as a front organization and was training "glider pilots". These then became the Condor Legion, and Luftwaffe, who defined aerial warfare in Europe, with terror bombings and all it entailed.

[JohnPaul]

(This was originally for John Paul, but after reviewing what I wrote, I see I got carried away into a rant of some sort. But anyway I'm going to post this 'cos it took so long to write. But to be clear, I don't think you're an apologist for the Third Reich)

I kind of do feel the need to address this white wash of the Wehrmacht some seem to have been doing here. And of course the supposed Norse Pagan angle the nazis supposedly were big on. Hitler actually didn't like Himmlers infatuation with the pagan religions at all, and he only barely tolerated it. This is largely because part of the Nazi party "schtick" was the invocation of mythical Germanic culture that had a civilized culture thousands of years ago, and kicked Roman Empire's ass at Teutoburg. But beyond that, Hitler was fairly Catholic, he sought its support, and somewhat had it. Operation Barbarossa was after all a "crusade against Eastern Bolsheviks, Jews and atheists.

Much of what we know of Hitler's anti-Christian sentiment is from "Hitler's Table Talk", which was translated from German to French to English. Problem is that Genoud, who was the author of the French translation inserted his own anti-religious comments as Hitler's. So there's that.

http://nobeliefs.com/HitlerSources

About the Wehrmacht. Well, the white-washing of that organisation began at the moment the war ended. Of course it wouldn't have been practical to prosecute members of Wehrmacht as it was with the Waffen-SS, but the Wehrmacht as a whole was up to its neck in atrocities, and with the blanket pardon it got a multitude of war criminals got away to write their books how it wasn't their fault they lost the war. Hell, one might one say it's the national past-time for German generals, WW2 was different just that the generals blamed Hitler instead of some ethnic or political minority, as they did after WW1.

Anyway, it was Heer policy to confiscate all supplies at the occupied areas in the East, primarily to supply the Heer itself, secondly to instigate a famine which would depopulate the conquered areas to make way for German settlers, and neutralize any partisan activity. Heer army commanders like Reichenau and von Manstein gave their armies criminal orders by which the Landsers were given a blank slate to kill anyone they felt killing as suspected Bolsheviks or Jews.

Nevermind that Heer soldiers volunteered to the Einsatzgruppen -deathsquads to such extent that it had to be prohibited because it was compromising frontline security. Or that the Ostheer had to be given a general order prohibiting soldiers from using Soviet POWs as target practice because it was such a negative drain to the ammunition supplies.

The Heer was arguably at best the enabler of the genocide in the East, at worst it was doing it itself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

And The Luftwaffe. If there ever was a Nazi organization beyond the SS it was Luftwaffe. Simply put of all the Wehrmacht branches Luftwaffe held to the most strict ideological standard - one didn't get be a pilot unless one atleast pretented to be a dedicated Nazi. After all, before the Luftwaffe was announced publically, the Nazi Youth seved as a front organization and was training "glider pilots". These then became the Condor Legion, and Luftwaffe, who defined aerial warfare in Europe, with terror bombings and all it entailed.

Don't worry about ranting. I sometimes do some ranting myself!

I do not disagree with much of what you say, but I will comment on the Luftwaffe. You mention "terror bombings." What do you call the American and RAF mass bombings of German cities, such as the firebombing of Hamburg, which were not directed at military targets but indiscriminately killed hundreds of thousands of German civilians? What about fighter pilots who shot at enemy pilots parachuting from their disabled planes? I can't confirm it now, but many years ago I read an apparently unbiased report that this practice was begun by American pilots, and shocked and enraged the German pilots, who only then retaliated in kind. Many of the German (and English) pilots came from old aristocratic families and traditionally viewed this practice as dishonorable, while the American pilots had no such family background and thought of it only as "killing Germans."

In any case, I agree it was an unpleasant war.

John

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Don't worry about ranting. I sometimes do some ranting myself!

I do not disagree with much of what you say, but I will comment on the Luftwaffe. You mention "terror bombings." What do you call the American and RAF mass bombings of German cities, such as the firebombing of Hamburg, which were not directed at military targets but indiscriminately killed hundreds of thousands of German civilians? What about fighter pilots who shot at enemy pilots parachuting from their disabled planes? I can't confirm it now, but many years ago I read an apparently unbiased report that this practice was begun by American pilots, and shocked and enraged the German pilots, who only then retaliated in kind. Many of the German (and English) pilots came from old aristocratic families and traditionally viewed this practice as dishonorable, while the American pilots had no such family background and thought of it only as "killing Germans."

In any case, I agree it was an unpleasant war.

John

I would call the Allied effort, especially the British, to have been terror bombings as well. "Bomber Harris" along the 8th Army Air Corps, not only tried to destroy German industry but to destroy their willingness to fight as well. So Hamburg, Berlin and every city big enough for their crosshairs were leveled. But, in Europe, it was the Germans who set tone of the game. The Allies were simply better, they had more of everything. If the Germans didn't want their cities bombed then they should've refraine from doing so in the first place.

About fighter combat, I believe even though it was the most glamorous combat arm, most of the pilots were not aristocratic. The Germans had a strictly meritocratic system in place even before Luftwaffe was actualized, and RAF pilots were also mostly public-schooled brats

And there was no chivalry in air combat. Parachuting men were usually and officially outlimits, but beyond that fair game was a loosers game. And more than in any other combat, fighter pilots that were succesfull were, but most pilots were there just as targets.