A new Pope

[trencacloscas]

Today the cardinals gather for conclave to select a new Catholic pope.

What does it mean for the non-Catholics?

It's just an open question, for Catholics and non-Catholics alike, since the death of John Paul II created such unexpected expectative. I'm curious about the opinions, that's all.

[McCulloch]

Just curious, where in the Bible did Jesus institute the office of the bishop?

Paul in his first letter to Timothy refers to the already established office of overseer, (translated Bishop in older English translations such as the Authorized Version of 1611, KJV, also translated as elder in some versions). The presumption is that Jesus himself or is immediate apostles after his death established this office.

This is a faithful saying: if a man seeks the office of an overseer, he desires a good work. The overseer therefore must be without reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, sensible, modest, hospitable, good at teaching; not a drinker, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having children in subjection with all reverence; (but if a man doesn’t know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the assembly of God?) not a new convert, lest being puffed up he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have good testimony from those who are outside, to avoid falling into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Having read Saint Paul's qualifications for Bishop, one might argue that few Roman Catholic Bishops qualify.

[windy]

I would hope that this Pope would remain true to the teachings and traditions of the Catholic faith. I am not a Catholic. I have never been a Catholic. But I have many friends who are Catholic but do not agree with certain points of doctrine. These people, well meaning as they are, are hypocrites and enemies of freedom and truth. If you do not agree with the central tenets of your church, whichever church it is, you should jump ship. It is frustrating to know that support is going to an organization like the Catholic Church from people who really don't agree with that they are doing. A theologically conservative Pope may, I hope, dash the hopes of those who foolishly wish for the Church to "change from within".

I totaly agree . I think churches of all persuasions should dump the dead
wood and start again .
Why would anyone join something they dont believe in ?

[lifeisboring]

Wow, another powerless, symbolic figure. Kinda like the president, no?

[snappyanswer]

This Pope is going to rock the world of believers and may even start a real revival. He seems to value the Bible.

[Jim05]

As a European I should say that popes come and go. I think there is more non-believer live now in Europe than believer. Most of peope think that the vatican and the pope are evil and they just use the religion and god to steal the people money! If you don't believe in this just think about the history of the vatican and go to the vatican in rome.

[Antagonist]

I hope this new pope isn't such an ass as Paulus II who said that you shouldnt use anticonception causing a lot of catholic africans to have unprotected sex and spread HIV and making young girls pregnant.

I believe a Pope shouldn't have any status of 'holyness'. He is just some human with mostly very fundamental ideas about what people should and shouldn't do.

[I AM ALL I AM]

John Paul II 1978- 2005 "In the early 1940`s, the I.G. Farben Chemical Company employed a Polish salesman who sold cyanide to the Nazis for use in Auschwitz. The same salesman also worked as a chemist in the manufacture of the poison gas. This same cyanide gas along with Zyklon B and malathion was used to exterminate millions of Jews and other groups. Their bodies were then burned to ashes in the ovens. After the war the salesman, fearing for his life, joined the Catholic Church and was ordained a priest in 1946. One of his closest friends was Dr. Wolf Szmuness, the mastermind behind the Nov./78 to Oct./79 and March/80 to Oct./81 experimental hepatitis B vaccine trials conducted by the Center for Disease Control in New York, San Francisco and four other American cities that loosed the plague of AIDS upon the American people. The salesman was ordained Poland`s youngest bishop in 1958. After a 30-day reign his predecessor was assassinated and our ex-cyanide gas salesman assumed the papacy as POPE JOHN PAUL II."

- William Cooper, BEHOLD A PALE HORSE, (Light Technology Publishing, 1991), pp.89-90.

Pope calls for a new world order

Thursday, January 1, 2004 Posted: 1421 GMT (10:21 PM HKT)

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- Pope John Paul II rang in the New Year on Thursday with a renewed call for peace in the Middle East and Africa and the creation of a new world order based on respect for the dignity of man and equality among nations.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europ ... ope.ny.ap/

The New World Order, by Adolf Hitler.

http://hitlersdiaries.com/HitlersDiarie ... ophy2.html

Notice the 'iron cross' worn over Hitler's heart and also on the papal regalia.




Catholic Nazi Connections

The Reichskonkordat is the concordat between the Holy See and Germany. It was signed on July 20, 1933 by Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli and Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg, respectively. It is still valid today in Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat

Welcome to The Official Website of The Almanach de Holy Roman Empire. The most comprehensive Website on
The History and Structure of The First Reich, and The Official Listing of The Imperial Nobility of the Holy Roman Empire.

http://almanachdeholyromanempire.com/

You can also find out a lot more about the connections between the Roman Catholic Church and the Nazi's in the documentary below .....

Decoding The Great Baal Bible Conspiracy Pagans to Pope
http://au.youtube.com/results?search_qu ... &aq=-1&oq=

I thought that it would be fair that those that are being castigated for calling the Roman Catholic Church (First Reich) and it's representatives Nazi's (Third Reich) had some detailed information to show that it is true.

[McCulloch]

I thought that it would be fair that those that are being castigated for calling the Roman Catholic Church (First Reich) and it's representatives Nazi's (Third Reich) had some detailed information to show that it is true.

The unified Germany which arose under Chancellor Otto von Bismarck in 1871 was called in German Deutsches Reich. Deutsches Reich remained the official name of Germany until 1945, although these years saw three very different political systems more commonly referred to in English as: "the German Empire" (1871–1918), the Weimar Republic (1919–1933; the term is a postwar coinage not used at the time), and Nazi Germany (the Third Reich) (1933–1945). After 1918 "Reich" was usually not translated as "Empire" in English-speaking countries, and the title was instead simply used in its original German. During the Weimar Republic the term "Reich" and the prefix "Reichs-" referred not to the idea of empire but rather to the institutions, officials, affairs etc. of the whole country as opposed to those of one of its constituent federal states. Das Reich meant the legal persona of the (federal) State, similar to The Crown designating the State (and its treasury) in Commonwealth countries. The Nazis sought to legitimize their power historiographically by portraying their rule as a continuation of a Germanic past. They coined the term Das Dritte Reich ("The Third Empire" – usually rendered in English in the partial-translation "The Third Reich"), counting the Holy Roman Empire as the first and the 1871-1918 monarchy as the second. During the Anschluss (annexation) of Austria in 1938 the Nazi propaganda also used the political slogan Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer ("One people, one Reich, one leader"). Although the term "Third Reich" is in common use, the terms "First Reich" and "Second Reich" for the earlier periods are seldom found outside Nazi propaganda. To use the terms "First Reich" and "Second Reich", as some commentators did in the post-war years, is generally frowned upon as accepting Nazi historiography. The term Altes Reich ("old Reich"; cf. French ancien regime for monarchical France) is sometimes used to refer to the Holy Roman Empire.

The Roman Catholic Church, whatever else its failings might be, cannot be portrayed as the First Reich with any historical accuracy.

[I AM ALL I AM]

The Roman Catholic Church, whatever else its failings might be, cannot be portrayed as the First Reich with any historical accuracy.

G'day McCulloch.

That would depend upon who wrote the history and whether you believed in it's apparent "historical accuracy".

[McCulloch]

The Roman Catholic Church, whatever else its failings might be, cannot be portrayed as the First Reich with any historical accuracy.

That would depend upon who wrote the history and whether you believed in it's apparent "historical accuracy".

OK, present the credentials of the historians who argue that the Roman Catholic Church should be called the First Reich.

Edit: I looked up Milton William Cooper. Sounds like a real winner to me.

Cooper's earliest notoriety developed among UFO enthusiasts, as he promoted UFO conspiracy theories, Kennedy assassination theories, and theories about a New World Order.

In many ways, his accounts were similar to earlier UFO reports: UFOs had crashed, the ships and their alien pilots had been recovered, and the government made agreements with aliens. Cooper further detailed his arguments in a self-published pamphlet, "The Secret Government: The Origin, Identity and Purpose of MJ-12".[2]

The pamphlet contains multiple claims: UFOs had been crashing on Earth by the dozens since the mid-1940s, and Secretary of Defense James Forrestal threatened to publicize the fact and was killed to prevent him from doing so; in 1954 "His Omnipotent Highness Krlll"—leader of a species living on a planet orbiting Betelgeuse—appeared on earth and suggested a treaty: The aliens would abduct humans and wipe their memories of the event in exchange for sharing their technology. U.S. officials feared the aliens' superior technology, and felt they had no choice but to accept the conditions offered by the aliens.

Aliens quickly broke the treaty, kidnapping and killing humans and livestock. The Cold War, Cooper says, was largely a façade in that the United States and the Soviet Union were actually in close collaboration, both to combat the aliens and to pave the way for a totalitarian one world government. The Majestic 12 committee began selling drugs to raise funds to combat the aliens, reports Cooper, and President John F. Kennedy was assassinated when he objected. Cooper also notes that the alien threat could be a carefully crafted hoax and notes that these reports could also be top secret government aircraft.

I cannot see how anyone might mistake this guy for a legitimate historian.