Torture

[RobertUrbanek]

In his recent book tour, former Vice President Dick Cheney vigorously defended waterboarding and said it should be used again “if we had a high-value detainee and that was the only way we could get him to talk.�

Waterboarding converted the uplifting ritual of baptism, immersion in water, into its opposite: a ritual of agony and terror. Just as John the Baptist prepared the way for Jesus Christ, Dick Cheney, champion of the anti-baptism, may be preparing the way for the Antichrist.

[Slopeshoulder]

Dick cheney calls ( Waterboarding the Christian-baptism ) !

I find your posts incoherent. But as this is just one sentence, may I ask for clarification...
- where does Cheney do this specifically?
- why do you add parentheses in (the middle of a sentence)?

FWIW, I think cheney is the anti-christ, or a sociopath, or a good reason to believe in hell so we can hope for a just resolution to the cheney problem.

[David 2.0]

Two thoughts...

Simulated drowning is torture in my book.
&
The anti-christ lives next door to me and has had my weed-eater for over a month.
Plus my brush hog.
Two gas cans.
Broke my chain saw.

[East of Eden]

I agree with Dick Cheney, and do not think waterboarding is torture. For Pete's sake, we use it on our own troops during training. Do we torture our own troops?

[chris_brown207]

I agree with Dick Cheney, and do not think waterboarding is torture. For Pete's sake, we use it on our own troops during training. Do we torture our own troops?

Having been in the military, and had buddies go through SERE training - I can tell you that the "torture" that is used in training is limited in nature. There is never a danger of permanent damage. The use of waterboarding in war is not limited - with recipients going unconscious at times, and I would not be surprised to find even dying during the application.

When even John S. McCain - who was an ACTUAL recipient of torture - say we shouldn't be torturing our enemies.... maybe we should listen.

[East of Eden]

Having been in the military, and had buddies go through SERE training - I can tell you that the "torture" that is used in training is limited in nature. There is never a danger of permanent damage. The use of waterboarding in war is not limited - with recipients going unconscious at times, and I would not be surprised to find even dying during the application.

CIte? We waterboarded three people under supervision, and got valuable intelligence in return. IMHO these people are not covered by the Geneva Convention.

When even John S. McCain - who was an ACTUAL recipient of torture - say we shouldn't be torturing our enemies.... maybe we should listen.

If waterboarding was all McCain was subjected to, he would be in much better condition today. Christopher Hitchens voluntarily subjected himself to it.

You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful.

[McCulloch]

You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful.

Contrast the attitude displayed by this Christian with the attitude shown by Jesus with regard to his enemies.

[lo_rez]

You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful.

ha well that sure makes the case that simulated execution by drowning isn't torture

[East of Eden]

You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful.

Contrast the attitude displayed by this Christian with the attitude shown by Jesus with regard to his enemies.

Jesus forgave people AFTER they had repented, and anyways what does that have to do with how the government treats criminals, foreign or domestic?

BTW, hell will be a lot worse than waterboarding.

[David 2.0]

East of Eden wrote...

"You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful."

You will have to excuse me but for some reason I get the feeling that your opinion on this subject may be tainted by hatred.

If I am understand you correctly, you would execute a prisoner when not useful?

Well if that is the case it seems like I don't need to ask why doctors are present, or why many say that there is a lasting effect, or the process does cause harm.

[East of Eden]

East of Eden wrote...

"You call it torture, I call it the first bath these vermin have had in years. I wouldn't care if we executed them, after them ceased to be useful."

You will have to excuse me but for some reason I get the feeling that your opinion on this subject may be tainted by hatred.

If I am understand you correctly, you would execute a prisoner when not useful?

Well if that is the case it seems like I don't need to ask why doctors are present, or why many say that there is a lasting effect, or the process does cause harm.

FDR did exactly that with German soldiers caught out of uniform here in WWII, and about 1 week after they were caught. Execution after a military tribunal is a good solution, since a number we have released went back into terror circulation.