What do you guys think about the changes to the missal?

[Logomachist]

Changes in the mass:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/1 ... 31908.html

So what do you think?

[WinePusher]

I could care less. Being active in the Church as a Lector and an Extraordinary Minister, they've forced me to attend workshops to 'orient' me to these changes and it's been a pain. It's generally what always happens when I'm forced to go to classes hosted by my Church or my Diocese; a know nothing stands up at the front and talks to the air for about an hour occassionally making failed attempts at jokes, luckily there's semi-decent food at all these events which I indulge myself in. I don't pay attention, so I'm not really up to date on these changes but they're supposedly minor...nothing I'm against.

[ThatGirlAgain]

[forumwarrior]

i dont like it. i dont like all the damn contemporary hallelujiah music these days either.

[Slopeshoulder]

i dont like it. i dont like all the damn contemporary hallelujiah music these days either.

been goin' on for 40 years.
i like it.

[mich]

[Enquirer]

Changes in the mass:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/1 ... 31908.html

So what do you think?

As a bit of a traditionalist I find changes in general are better in translation and 'meaning' than the last format. Here in the UK [England and Wales] we are already several weeks into using the 'new form'; which I find tends to run closer to the old Latin. As an example - 'Et cum spiritu tuo' means 'And with your spirit, [also]' and not 'And also with you'.

Overall I find it an improvement.

[jmac2112]

I like it, at least the parts that I've seen. I've been teaching Latin for 15 years now, and I've been to plenty of Latin masses, including Tridentine masses.

I especially like the fact that "peace to God's people on earth" has been changed to "peace on earth to people of good will." The true translation makes clear what the criterion is for receiving the peace of Christ.

I also REALLY like the fact that we are no longer going to say "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith: Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." As someone else pointed out, this response is not in the Latin, and it strongly implies that the statement "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again" IS the mystery of faith. Or is it one of the other optional responses that is "the mystery of faith"? It's not clear. In any case, it makes it sound like the central mystery of the Catholic faith is any one of a number of statements that every Protestant would agree with also. I'm all for true ecumenism, but this is just confusion.

In the Tridentine Mass, the words "mysterium fidei" are inserted as an interjection in the middle of the consecration of the chalice, making it very clear that what is going on right here and now on the altar is the mystery of faith, i.e. that Christ's unique sacrifice is being made present so that the effects of his sacrifice can touch each of us. The new Latin version of the Mass moved those words so that they come right after the consecration, thereby opening the door to misunderstanding. The translators then capitalized on this ambiguity to work their magic.