Federal funding cut for Planned Parenthood

[Lux]

The House of Representatives has voted to cut all federal funding for Planned Parenthood. The Senate is still to vote on this bill.

Besides abortion, Planned Parenthood provides STD testing and treatment, cancer testing, birth control information and supply, information on safe sex, pregnancy screening, infertility diagnosis and treatment among other services. They report that only 2-3% of the visits they receive result in an abortion.


Is it acceptable to remove all federal funding from this organization?

Is this issue all about abortion, or are there other reasons for the cut?

[East of Eden]

An unborn child is still a child.

An unborn child is like an married bachelor. A human becomes a child at birth and ceases to be a child at puberty (well some of us).

From Wikipedia:

"Some vernacular definitions of a child include the fetus, as being an unborn child."

[Wyvern]

You're playing fast and loose with language again EoE, a child aint a child until it's born.

That's nothing but your opinion.

Before a child is born it is either a zygote, embryo or fetus depending on its stage of developement. Calling a child a child regardless of the stage of developement is as exact as using the word kind to describe all types of animal instead of the much more exact system in use.

God had no problem with instructing his chosen people forcing abortions on the women of opposing tribes so why should it be such a big deal for you now?

Cite? In the OT when a man struck a pregnant women and the child miscarried it was considered manslaughter.

You mean you have no recollection in the bible of one tribe being told by god to slaughter another tribe including cutting the children out of their mothers womb?

As far as constitutional rights go Roe v Wade has been upheld in the highest constitutional court of the land i.e. the supreme court so I'd say it has a pretty good footing as far as constitutionality goes.

So was Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson. There is a difference between legal and moral. Just about all of what Hitler did was legal.

Your point was that abortion has no constitutional basis, all I did was point out that you are incorrect in this point.

[nygreenguy]

An unborn child is still a child.

An unborn child is like an married bachelor. A human becomes a child at birth and ceases to be a child at puberty (well some of us).

From Wikipedia:

"Some vernacular definitions of a child include the fetus, as being an unborn child."

Thats because its just a made up word with no real scientific meaning.

Anyone can make up a talking point word and get it to be used, but that doesnt mean it has any real actual meaning.

[McCulloch]

From Wikipedia:

"Some vernacular definitions of a child include the fetus, as being an unborn child."

Some vernacular definitions of a child include the fetus, as being an unborn child. The legal definition of "child" generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority. "Child" may also describe a relationship with a parent or authority figure, or signify group membership in a clan, tribe, or religion; it can also signify being strongly affected by a specific time, place, or circumstance, as in "a child of nature" or "a child of the Sixties."

Let's try to be specific with our language. Let's use the legal or biological definition of the word child. Slang or vernacular definitions only lead to equivocation and muddy the waters.

[East of Eden]

Before a child is born it is either a zygote, embryo or fetus depending on its stage of developement. Calling a child a child regardless of the stage of developement is as exact as using the word kind to describe all types of animal instead of the much more exact system in use.

Not according to Wikipedia. If you don't like that how about 'unborn child'?

You mean you have no recollection in the bible of one tribe being told by god to slaughter another tribe including cutting the children out of their mothers womb?

About the cutting out of children, no. Cite or retract. God was infuriated by the pagan worship practice that included sacrificing children to the god Moloch.

Your point was that abortion has no constitutional basis, all I did was point out that you are incorrect in this point.

My point was that abortion has no moral basis. SCOTUS justices can and do err, as when they ignore the constitutional 'right to life'.

[sickles]

In a demcratic system, I (a member of the populus) have a say in what my government does and doesn't do. If I want my tax dollars to go to this specific area and to stay away from this area, I vote for the politician who will represent my view and fight for my interests. It's Civics 101 and it (no taxation without representation) was the thing that ignited the inception of America.

This is way of topic, but did you know Hitler was a Catholic?

[Lux]

About half, or more, of Americans are pro-life. I'm not aware of a similar majority against blood transfusions.

Yet when the majority of Americans where against the war in Iraq, we still had to support it with our tax money. How does that work?

The fact is that only 2-3% of the women that go to Planned Parenthood end up having an abortion. PP also provides information about a number of other things - including adoption and parenting - some of which don't even relate to unwanted pregnancies. In fact they are a huge provider of safe sex information and contraceptives, thereby preventing abortions and scenarios with parent(s) unable or reluctant to care for their babies.

[Kuan]

In a demcratic system, I (a member of the populus) have a say in what my government does and doesn't do. If I want my tax dollars to go to this specific area and to stay away from this area, I vote for the politician who will represent my view and fight for my interests. It's Civics 101 and it (no taxation without representation) was the thing that ignited the inception of America.

This is way of topic, but did you know Hitler was a Catholic?

Where did this come from? Random?

[East of Eden]

Yet when the majority of Americans where against the war in Iraq, we still had to support it with our tax money. How does that work?

The decision to go into Iraq was bipartisan, and polls also showed that the majority of Americans believed that President Bush had made his case against Iraq. The Gallup poll, for example, found that 67% of those who watched Bush's speech felt that the case had been made.

The fact is that only 2-3% of the women that go to Planned Parenthood end up having an abortion. PP also provides information about a number of other things - including adoption and parenting - some of which don't even relate to unwanted pregnancies. In fact they are a huge provider of safe sex information and contraceptives, thereby preventing abortions and scenarios with parent(s) unable or reluctant to care for their babies.

There are crisis pregnancy centers who do not kill babies, and instead work to place children for adoption and to support the single mothers. That's who we should be supporting financially, if anyone.

[Wyvern]

Before a child is born it is either a zygote, embryo or fetus depending on its stage of developement. Calling a child a child regardless of the stage of developement is as exact as using the word kind to describe all types of animal instead of the much more exact system in use.

Not according to Wikipedia. If you don't like that how about 'unborn child'?

You are still applying a misnomer when we already have a number of much more accurate terms for a fetus. What you want to do is the equivalent of seeing a lump of coal and instead of calling it coal you instead call it an unconverted diamond and actually have the gaul to think that is an acceptable term. You can't change the language simply because it does not agree with your worldview otherwise you're setting yourself up for a 1984 scenario.

Your point was that abortion has no constitutional basis, all I did was point out that you are incorrect in this point.

My point was that abortion has no moral basis.

Then why did you start this point off by saying abortion has no constitutional basis?