Does Obama Deserve To Be Re-Elected?

[WinePusher]

Do You Think Obama Deserve Re Election?

If Yes: Please cite significant things he has done that have benefited this country and it's citizens.

If No: Please cite significant things he has or hasn't done that would lead you to vote for another candidate.

[Kuan]

And the only person I can think of that might fit that bill is Ron Paul.

I vote fiscally conservative socially liberal. I like Paul on his fiscal side but disagree with him on several social issues. However, for the sake of our current crisis I tended to be more on the side os a fiscal conservative if they were not too outspoken on their social conservative side.

I saw a great overtime from Bill Maher the other day and he brought up a wonderful point. It went something like:

the left and the right need to meet in the middle but the right is moving so far to the right that the middle is now on the right.

We need the Republican party of old to come back... the one before the Religious right hijacked it.

Yes we do need it to come back. Although it is arguable that its been hijacked by the religous.

[Lux]

I'll start taking bets from anyone who says Sarah Palin can't win the 2012 election, Lucia?????

I would take you up on that, mostly because I want to believe that the people would not elect Sarah Palin. If she gets the candidacy, we can start betting I don't think the Reps will take that risk, especially after the O'Donnell fiasco. What were they thinking? With Obama's ok-ish approval rates, if the GOP presents a solid platform they have a very decent chance of snatching the independent votes.

So far, I'm voting to re-elect Obama. He does have two more years in office though, I'll see what happens until then and I always consider other candidates even if I like the current president. Romney is someone I would consider voting for, I'd have to see where he stands on certain issues but I like the idea of someone more conservative when it comes to spending. I'd also consider a third party candidate if a good one is presented, unless Palin is the GOP's nominee. If that's the case, I'll be voting for Obama, or rather, I'll be voting for the candidate most likely to beat Palin.

Reasons to re-elect Obama:

Ended the Iraq war.

Has taken action to help eliminate violence against women.

Reinstated Clinton's Executive order 13173, by which 100,000 with disabilities will be hired by the State (an issue close to my heart).

Concerned himself with Nuclear security and the Moscow treaty.

Invested in alternative energy sources among other efforts to reduce oil dependency and help protect the environment.


Overall, Obama has kept way more promises than he has broken. While that probably means nothing to those who disliked his promises to begin with, I agreed with him in most issues and I appreciate his effort to put his money where his mouth is.


Reasons to consider candidates other than Obama:

Spent a scary amount of money.

Failed to keep some promises that I considered important issues, like urging States to treat same-sex couples equally when being considered for adoption, not raising taxes on families making less than $250,000 and closing down the Guantanamo military base.

Did not negotiate the Health Care bill in public debates, like he said he would.

[Kuan]

One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.

We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.

[Icharus Arisen]

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[Board]

And with your post you just explained why I am baffled by the state of the religious right of the republican party...

From Wiki

Religion. Religion has always played a major role for both parties but, in the course of a century, the parties' religious compositions have changed. Religion was a major dividing line between the parties before 1960, with Catholics, Jews, and Southern Protestants heavily Democratic, and Northeastern Protestants heavily Republican. Most of the old differences faded away after the realignment of the late 1960s that undercut the New Deal coalition. Voters who attend church weekly gave 61% of their votes to Bush in 2004; those who attend occasionally gave him only 47%, while those who never attend gave him 36%. Fifty-nine percent of Protestants voted for Bush, along with 52% of Catholics (even though Kerry was Catholic). Since 1980, large majorities of evangelicals have voted Republican; 70–80% voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004, and 70% for GOP House candidates in 2006. Jews continue to vote 70–80% Democratic. Democrats have close links with the African American churches, especially the National Baptists, while their historic dominance among Catholic voters has eroded to 50-50. The main line traditional Protestants (Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Episcopalians) have dropped to about 55% Republican (in contrast to 75% before 1968). Their church memberships have declined in that time as well, and the conservative evangelical rivals have grown. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as Mormons, are overwhelmingly Republican and vote in line with the Christian Right. George W. Bush received 89% of the Mormon vote.[68] Bush also received almost 80% of the Muslim vote in the 2000 Presidential election. However, his support among Muslims declined sharply and, by the 2004 election, at least half of those voters supported Democratic candidate John Kerry or a third party candidate.[69]

I have always thought the Democratic party had more of the same values as the Christian population and sometime after the 1960's, that all changed. It seemed to be around the time the preachers were calling for people to "bring the country back to God" and pushing their political agenda from the pulpit.

Well whether one side hijacked the other it really doesn't matter. I have not studied up enough to support my claim so I'll retract it. Either way they Republicans and Christian Right are becoming synonymous and I think it would do both sides good to break that relationship.

[DeBunkem]

Seems it doesn't matter who is in the White House. Until money is banned from Congress and elections, what we'll get is the Corporate Party, who will push the setpoint ever more right. The new GOP would view Nixon and Reagan as flaming Liberals. The GOP has done NOTHING for the working and Middle Class, and the Democratic Congress is blocked by the GOP abuse of the filibuster. Unless Obama finds his inner Trust-Buster and FDR, he's just another plutocrat.
The Fascists (corporate/State power is Fascism) are accomplishing with floods of money what they tried to do in their Business Plot on FDR: destruction of democracy. They will take everything until we are a third World country. The only decent jobs for the non-wealthy will be the military and Church, just like in feudal times.

[Kuan]

Seems it doesn't matter who is in the White House. Until money is banned from Congress and elections, what we'll get is the Corporate Party, who will push the setpoint ever more right. The new GOP would view Nixon and Reagan as flaming Liberals. The GOP has done NOTHING for the working and Middle Class, and the Democratic Congress is blocked by the GOP abuse of the filibuster. Unless Obama finds his inner Trust-Buster and FDR, he's just another plutocrat.
The Fascists (corporate/State power is Fascism) are accomplishing with floods of money what they tried to do in their Business Plot on FDR: destruction of democracy. They will take everything until we are a third World country. The only decent jobs for the non-wealthy will be the military and Church, just like in feudal times.

GOP has done nothing for middle and lower classes...I find this interesting to me. From my short personal experiences the upper class is independent and does not rely on anyone, while the lower class seems to expect to be given everything and is dependant.

[ChaosBorders]

I'll start taking bets from anyone who says Sarah Palin can't win the 2012 election, Lucia????? Obama is "far to the left" and he got elected, and I would argue that far left liberalism is more toxic to this country then far right conservatism.

I will bet you 12,000 tokens that Sarah Palin does not become president in 2012.

[ChaosBorders]

One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.

We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.

Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.

As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....

[Kuan]

One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.

We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.

Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.

As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....

It might be a stretch but it bothers me that Harry Reid said that.

Plus I think they were in a hurry to try and get health care through while they could before the November elections.