What is the pure sacrifice?

[arunangelo]

Jesus said, “The bread that I will give you is my flesh� (John 6:51); and further stated that, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have life within you� (John 6:53). Then at the Last Supper, He made an offering of His sacrificial body and blood by the following acts. He thanked His Father, took bread, broke it and gave it to His disciples to eat, and said, “This is my (sacrificial) body�; and then took the cup and gave it them to drink and said, “This is my (sacrificial) blood�. (Matthew 26:26-29). He then commanded us do this (re-enter his sacrificial offering) as often as possible so that we will always keep His Spirit in our heart (Luke 22:19); and express His sacrifice in our thoughts, words and actions (1 Corinthians 11:26). Paul emphasizes the real presence of Jesus in the bread and wine at the Lord’s Supper, by stating that, those who eats the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily are guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord (Corinthians 11:27). Therefore, when ever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated, it fulfills Malachi’s prophesy (Malachi 1:11) which stated that, from the rising of the sun to its setting, in every place a pure sacrifice will be offered to God.

[Flail]

Jesus said, “The bread that I will give you is my flesh� (John 6:51); and further stated that, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have life within you� (John 6:53). Then at the Last Supper, He made an offering of His sacrificial body and blood by the following acts. He thanked His Father, took bread, broke it and gave it to His disciples to eat, and said, “This is my (sacrificial) body�; and then took the cup and gave it them to drink and said, “This is my (sacrificial) blood�. (Matthew 26:26-29). He then commanded us do this (re-enter his sacrificial offering) as often as possible so that we will always keep His Spirit in our heart (Luke 22:19); and express His sacrifice in our thoughts, words and actions (1 Corinthians 11:26). Paul emphasizes the real presence of Jesus in the bread and wine at the Lord’s Supper, by stating that, those who eats the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily are guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord (Corinthians 11:27). Therefore, when ever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated, it fulfills Malachi’s prophesy (Malachi 1:11) which stated that, from the rising of the sun to its setting, in every place a pure sacrifice will be offered to God.

I can't find any sacrifice in Jesus death. What does an omnipotent, omniscient God sacrifice with earthly 'death'? Sounds to me like a fable to be read and understood as making a point that we should live for others as well as ourselves and sacrifice our self interest whenever necessary to assist a fellow human being...see the Good Samaritan...I can't find any verifiable,credible evidence upon which to literally believe anything supernatural about Jesus.

[Zzyzx]

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I can't find any sacrifice in Jesus death. What does an omnipotent, omniscient God sacrifice with earthly 'death'?

I also have difficulty accepting a claim of "sacrifice" that was temporary -- and was supposedly offered to another part of himself.

Sounds to me like a fable to be read and understood as making a point that we should live for others as well as ourselves and sacrifice our self interest whenever necessary to assist a fellow human being...see the Good Samaritan...

I agree 100% -- and add that if the story was presented as a "lesson" in subduing self-interest, but without the supernatural inclusions, I would have no objection AND the meaning would be clear.

As it is, in mystical form, directed toward "chosen" people, it is divisive and counter-productive in my opinion.

I can't find any verifiable,credible evidence upon which to literally believe anything supernatural about Jesus.

Agreed. I accept that a preacher by that name lived two thousand years ago -- and that he was idolized by followers who exaggerated his deeds, put words in his mouth, and "deified" him. That more closely fits what little we actually know about the man than the supernatural tales.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

Jesus said, “The bread that I will give you is my flesh� (John 6:51); and further stated that, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have life within you� (John 6:53).

I reckon I'll just hafta up and die, cause I ain't a-eatin' nobody, I don't care how they're cooked!

The rest just looks like a bunch of preaching to me. I 'preciate it and all, but the Dawgs are fixin' to whoop up on the Gators!

(edit in an effort to cover up dooficity)

[flitzerbiest]

Jesus said, “The bread that I will give you is my flesh� (John 6:51); and further stated that, “unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have life within you� (John 6:53). Then at the Last Supper, He made an offering of His sacrificial body and blood by the following acts. He thanked His Father, took bread, broke it and gave it to His disciples to eat, and said, “This is my (sacrificial) body�; and then took the cup and gave it them to drink and said, “This is my (sacrificial) blood�. (Matthew 26:26-29). He then commanded us do this (re-enter his sacrificial offering) as often as possible so that we will always keep His Spirit in our heart (Luke 22:19); and express His sacrifice in our thoughts, words and actions (1 Corinthians 11:26). Paul emphasizes the real presence of Jesus in the bread and wine at the Lord’s Supper, by stating that, those who eats the bread and drink the cup of the Lord unworthily are guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord (Corinthians 11:27). Therefore, when ever the Lord’s Supper is celebrated, it fulfills Malachi’s prophesy (Malachi 1:11) which stated that, from the rising of the sun to its setting, in every place a pure sacrifice will be offered to God.

The idea that sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins does not compute. I forgive my kids all the time--no blood required. Am I a superior moral agent than God?

[McCulloch]

Am I a superior moral agent than God?

In my opinion, yes, you are a superior moral agent than the god conceived of in the Christian Bible.

[Flail]

Am I a superior moral agent than God?

In my opinion, yes, you are a superior moral agent than the god conceived of in the Christian Bible.

Agreed. It would be more logical, sensical and moral if a 'God' required good conduct as atonement for bad, rather than membership and ritual. I am not at all interested in any 'God' whose 'kingdom' is accessed with a 'Golden ticket' obtained via acceptance of an illogical superstition without evidence. IMO, the entire Christian idea of Jesus 'sacrifice for membership' plays to self interest...bless me, comfort me, heal me, save me, guide me, forgive me....me me me....this is morality????....It is certainly something to keep away from children.

[flitzerbiest]

Am I a superior moral agent than God?

In my opinion, yes, you are a superior moral agent than the god conceived of in the Christian Bible.

I guessed I walked right into that one. And yes, I agree that the morality of BibleGod is a pretty low bar.

[EduChris]

The "pure sacrifice" is that in Jesus, God willingly relinquished his Divine powers in order to become human, in order to express and demonstrate God's solidarity with us, and in order to personally share in the human condition of suffering the results of sin in the world.

Admittedly, this Christian claim isn't going to make a whole lot of sense without the concommitant Christian claim of a Triune God. But the Christian Trinity--three eternally co-existing, eternally differentiated, eternally loving, eternally Divine "persons"--gains at least some independent support from the fact that the traditional hallmarks of the Christian Triune God (Existence, Differentiation, and Relationality) constitute the trio of Godelian "super-positives" that hold for every conceivable universe (given the assumption that a universe such as ours is conceivable).

[JoeyKnothead]

The "pure sacrifice" is that in Jesus, God willingly relinquished his Divine powers in order to become human, in order to express and demonstrate God's solidarity with us, and in order to personally share in the human condition of suffering the results of sin in the world.

Admittedly, this Christian claim isn't going to make a whole lot of sense without the concommitant Christian claim of a Triune God. But the Christian Trinity--three eternally co-existing, eternally differentiated, eternally loving, eternally Divine "persons"--gains at least some independent support from the fact that the traditional hallmarks of the Christian Triune God (Existence, Differentiation, and Relationality) constitute the trio of Godelian "super-positives" that hold for every conceivable universe (given the assumption that a universe such as ours is conceivable).

It'd take some mighty strong suspenders to hold all that up.

Given, the claims may point to this, but the verifiable evidence is sorely lacking.

(edit for speling)