Second Coming Doctrine ?

Skyangel · Post by **Skyangel** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:40 pm

Christianity teaches that Christ will literally return to earth in the clouds one day.

Do you believe this doctrine is true or do you believe it is a false doctrine?
Is Jesus coming again or is He already here ?

I take the stand that the doctrine is false and Christians are believing in some religious fairy tale.

The reason I make this claim is because the doctrine makes no sense if you take it literally.

The Jesus of the bible told His disciples He would be with them always till the end of the world and never leave or forsake them.
Mat 28:20 .................... lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen.
Hbr 13:5 ................ for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Did He lie and leave them after all or are Christians not disciples?

Logically, If you have a friend who never leaves you or forsakes you in reality but is with you always then you have no reason to be waiting for them to return since they never left in the first place. Therefore it is illogical to be waiting for some second return of Jesus, if Jesus is indeed with you always, is it not? It is sheer stupidity to be waiting for someone to return if that person is always with you and never left you in the first place.

It appears that most Christians have been separated from their omnipresent invisible God. Most of them think Jesus is God and obviously their Jesus is not on this earth since they are waiting for Him to return. Therefore He can't be with them. If He was, they would not be waiting for Him to return.

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:04 am

Skyangel wrote: Whatever you say but if it was a race on this earth and Jesus came first in the race and then decided to go back in the race after he got to the finish line and also come last, the last in the race would no longer be last but the first would be last.

No its not about a race on who dies first or last.

Skyangel wrote: Matthew 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

In all the verses you quoted, It does not specify on what is ment by 'first' and 'last'. So what we have to do is read it in context to understand what is ment.
We know for a fact, that Jesus was not the first Prophet or Messenger in the Bible.
But he was the first Messiah, and thus he is also the last Messiah.
So if you say he is the first and last Messiah, that will not conflict with Matt 20:16 and is completely logical. But if you say he is the first and last prophet, that will conflict with the majority of the Bible(NT and OT).

Skyangel wrote: You figure it out. Muhammed can't be last of anything if God, the Alpha and Omega is first and last of everything.

Alpha and Omega, isn't that from the greek alphabet? That can have numerous metaphorical meanings and is not a very good foundation to base your arguement upon.

God is not the first and last of everything, that is offensive to God if you look at 'everything' in context.

The first prophet recorded in the Bible is "Enoch" and the last prophet recorded in the Quran is Muhammad. Jesus is neither the first or the last prophet, but he is the first and the last Messiah.

"...they glorified God, saying, 'That a great prophet has risen up among us;...'" (Luke 7:16).

Skyangel · Post by **Skyangel** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:28 am

Murad wrote: The first prophet recorded in the Bible is "Enoch" and the last prophet recorded in the Quran is Muhammad. Jesus is neither the first or the last prophet, but he is the first and the last Messiah.

"...they glorified God, saying, 'That a great prophet has risen up among us;...'" (Luke 7:16).

That depends on whether or not you perceive the first prophecy in the bible as coming from God or from man.

Prophecy is the word of God not the word of any man. God spoke the first word of prophecy and will always have the last word. Any person who God speaks through is irrelevant to the prophecy. God can speak through any man.

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:29 am

Skyangel wrote: Prophecy is the word of God not the word of any man. God spoke the first word of prophecy and will always have the last word. Any person who God speaks through is irrelevant to the prophecy. God can speak through any man.

Agree'd

Skyangel · Post by **Skyangel** » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:40 pm

Murad wrote:
Skyangel wrote: Prophecy is the word of God not the word of any man. God spoke the first word of prophecy and will always have the last word. Any person who God speaks through is irrelevant to the prophecy. God can speak through any man.
Agree'd

Finally we agree on something.

Murad · Post by **Murad** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:56 am

Skyangel wrote:
Murad wrote:
Skyangel wrote: Prophecy is the word of God not the word of any man. God spoke the first word of prophecy and will always have the last word. Any person who God speaks through is irrelevant to the prophecy. God can speak through any man.
Agree'd
Finally we agree on something.

We've agree'd on much more and we have more similarities in belief than the differences we share.

Skyangel · Post by **Skyangel** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:14 am

Murad wrote:
Skyangel wrote:
Murad wrote:
Skyangel wrote: Prophecy is the word of God not the word of any man. God spoke the first word of prophecy and will always have the last word. Any person who God speaks through is irrelevant to the prophecy. God can speak through any man.
Agree'd
Finally we agree on something.
We've agree'd on much more and we have more similarities in belief than the differences we share.

Light and darkness also "agree" and blend together at sunrise and sunset. Yet they are as different as night and day.