Serving in Iraq Killed my Faith in God

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Serving in Iraq Killed my Faith in God

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Interesting to note that this Muslim did not convert to another religion, but simply turned away from it, like 20% of Americans. How many formerly religious American troops have done the same?
Serving in Iraq Killed my Faith in God

The destruction I saw made me question everything I had previously thought about religion

By Adnan Sarwar

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e26271.htm

August 30, 2010 "The Guardian" -- Luke Allsopp was a friend of mine. The last time we spoke for any length was in February 2003. Around three in the morning I woke hearing him struggling to stand and giggling. I saw him confused and braced against the wall. I called out, he turned and asked me why I was sleeping in the toilets. I told him it was my bedroom. He needlessly told me he was drunk.

We were both soldiers in the Royal Engineers. He was what you might imagine your average squaddie to be: hard-drinking and full of life. I was not so much your average squaddie: a Pakistani immigrant who had joined the British Army looking for adventure. He sat on the end of my bed and told me he was worried. We had just been told we were going to Iraq.

The lads had responded to this news by going out into the local town to drink the bars dry. Now, here was Luke, his behaviour the result of a heavy night numbing reality. I prepared myself to hear my friend talk about how he was worried about his family. But, he didn't want to talk to me about that. He told me he was worried about me.

He asked me why I didn't drink or sleep with anybody. I told him it was my religion. He laughed and asked if I actually believed in all that. He told me how life was too short, how we were off to Iraq soon and how embarrassing it would be to die a virgin. Only a soldier could have put it so well.

I found myself struggling to fault his logic. I had followed Islam for years, having grown up in an area of Burnley that was almost exclusively Asian. My street, a little Pakistan, had rows of terraced houses full of Muslims getting their halal meat from the cash and carry at one end and praying five times a day at the mosque at the other end. Now here, hundreds of miles away from it all, Luke made me question it. Did I really believe in a God?

Fast forward a month to the last time I saw Luke. We were painting Land Rovers yellow in Kuwait and preparing to head over the border into Iraq and to war. I took a picture of little Luke standing in that big desert and we said our goodbyes. I ended up being based with the United States marines and he went off as part of a bomb disposal team. Luke was killed in an ambush on 23 of March 2003.

With Luke's words ringing in my ears I asked myself how could there be some guy in the sky watching over this mess? How was there a God who was fine with Luke being killed, fine with the dead, burnt bodies of Iraqis I drove past on my way to Basra? How was he fine with the people who waved crying at us hoping we'd throw some rations and water into their desperate lives?

I went to see the padre. Sitting with this devout Christian in the cradle of civilisation, I had the most honest conversation I had ever had about religion. I'd never had the courage to say these things out loud before, but the Padre made it easy. He listened to my angry words and I knew it was okay for me to not believe. For the rest of the tour I spoke to the lads about it constantly, and as Saddam's empire came tumbling down so did any belief I had in God.

Back from Iraq, I met my first girlfriend at the age of 26 and started living my life. It felt right. I didn't believe in God and wasn't scared of admitting it any more. I didn't need a religion and was at my happiest and most content. It might be a hard thing to hear but my religion held me back for years and only when I had the courage to get rid of it did I really start living my life. My new-found honesty gave me freedom and strength. I had realised that I don't do God.
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While the military was not part of my reason for changing my belief system, I can say that traveling the world while in the military did impact it.

My questioning of religion as a whole began before I started traveling though. However, it was seeing so many different cultures who believed so many different things - many of them as strongly as people of devout Christian beliefs here in America - that solidified for me the realization that there was a good possibility that all of them are wrong.

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Wonder how many military people's experience led them to God?

Summary of OP: Man ditches religious beliefs so he can screw around.
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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East of Eden wrote:Wonder how many military people's experience led them to God?

Summary of OP: Man ditches religious beliefs so he can screw around.
Where did you get this in the article? Do you think that religious people don't screw around when they are young and in the military? Most of the behaviors of young military personnel can better be attributed to the fact that many are on their own for the first time, become legal drinking age and are among many other young people just like them who also have a good amount of money hanging around to party. It is relatively common to have both religious and antireligious experiences during wartime. To so blithely dismiss them shows an utter lack of empathy towards the author or the experiences combat vets go through.

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East of Eden wrote:Summary of OP: Man ditches religious beliefs so he can screw around.
How does that quote go? "We see only what we want to see..."

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chris_brown207 wrote:
East of Eden wrote:Summary of OP: Man ditches religious beliefs so he can screw around.
How does that quote go? "We see only what we want to see..."
Some things soldiers see cannot be be sanitized. This practice has been around since the Pilgrims displayed the skull of Chief Metacomet by their meeting house:

www.democracynow.com
US Soldiers Accused of Killing Afghans for Sport, Collecting Body Parts
New details have emerged in the case against twelve US soldiers over the killings of unarmed civilians in Afghanistan. Five of the soldiers are accused of killing three Afghan men for sport and then collecting their fingers as trophies. Seven other soldiers are charged with covering up the killings and assaulting a new recruit who helped bring them to light. The Afghans were killed after the soldiers allegedly decided to form a "kill team" to carry out deadly attacks.
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East of Eden wrote:Summary of OP: Man ditches religious beliefs so he can screw around.
I can safely say that that is pretty much the reaction he would get if he told muslims about his story.

Well, mostly that, but also ‘you never believed in Islâm in the first place’ and ‘you had no real knowledge of it’.

There used to be a site online called Atheists in Foxholes, which logged stories such as these, and I was going to suggest adding this to that site, but it has been suspended for some reason.
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