Is The Tea Party Racist?

[WinePusher]

The Tea Party is a protest movement of american citizens to limit the government, government spending and the deficit. Some (Nancy Pelosi, NAACP President, Harry Reid, Practically ALL democrats and liberals) claim the organization is racist?

1) Is there any evidence that the organization is racist?

2) Is this another dishonest ploy by the left to stir up racial contreversy

3) Are organizations such as the Nation of Islam, Black Panthars and NAACP also racist?

[micatala]

I note your attempt to change the subject to other cases of voter intimidation (I say we prosecute them.) and your ad hominem attack on Mr. Adams, but we have photos of the intimidation going on, which makes this case unique along with the allegation that the charges were dropped as the perps were basically a protected race. Welcome to Zimbabwe West.

I note you more or less dismissed my post and the evidence provided therein.


On Adams, the argument is not only on his background, it is that this background is relevant to the accusations, and he is the only one making these charges, AND he acknowledges he has little to no direct knowledge of the events he is making the charges about.


On Obama and Ayers, the fact that the right-wing spin leaves out is that Obama did not initiate either of the contacts typically pointed to. The "launching political career" sound bite ignores that the event in question was organized by neither Ayers nor Obama.



The one other thing I would say about Ayers is that, whatever his actions earlier in life, he does seem to have been accepted by his local society and is a productive member of it. He became chair of a Department of Education. This does not excuse his earlier actions, but does mean that he is going to come into contact with a lot of people, both within the educational community and within government. THis role is what led to his association with Obama on the Chicago Annenberg Foundation project.


There is really nothing to the Obama-Ayers connection.


At any rate, is any of this Ayers stuff relevant to th OP?



Finally, I am not changing the subject by bringing up other cases of voter intimidation, I am putting th NBPP case in context which is clearly what FOX did not do and what they in fact assiduously avoided as that would only underscore the severely skewed nature of their coverage. Your attempt to dismiss this context also suggests you would rather avoid relevant facts in order to maintain the "spun narrative" on this case.



Photos are great. Note that when photos of tea party racists are produced, the response is that these are isolated cases that don't represent the tea party. They are just "nut jobs" who we should ignore.

If that is true, it is even more true that the NBPP is an isolated case of a couple of nut jobs. They did this, as far as we know, EXACTLY ONCE, were stopped from doing so and the Obama administration obtained an injunction against one of those involved.


And not matter how many times you repeat the unsubstantiated statement that the administration dropped the case for racial reasons, it does not make it any more true. Again, look at all the evidence. One guy, Adams, with no evidence other than his word about things he did not even witness against a pattern of actions on the part of two adminstrations that show Adams is wrong.

[East of Eden]

I note your attempt to change the subject to other cases of voter intimidation (I say we prosecute them.) and your ad hominem attack on Mr. Adams, but we have photos of the intimidation going on, which makes this case unique along with the allegation that the charges were dropped as the perps were basically a protected race. Welcome to Zimbabwe West.

I note you more or less dismissed my post and the evidence provided therein.


On Adams, the argument is not only on his background, it is that this background is relevant to the accusations, and he is the only one making these charges, AND he acknowledges he has little to no direct knowledge of the events he is making the charges about.


On Obama and Ayers, the fact that the right-wing spin leaves out is that Obama did not initiate either of the contacts typically pointed to. The "launching political career" sound bite ignores that the event in question was organized by neither Ayers nor Obama.



The one other thing I would say about Ayers is that, whatever his actions earlier in life, he does seem to have been accepted by his local society and is a productive member of it. He became chair of a Department of Education. This does not excuse his earlier actions, but does mean that he is going to come into contact with a lot of people, both within the educational community and within government. THis role is what led to his association with Obama on the Chicago Annenberg Foundation project.

Yes, Chicago is full of left-wing extremists. Rev. Farrakhan is taken as some kind of almost normal figure there. I use to live there.

There is really nothing to the Obama-Ayers connection.

Someone with common sense, take Sarah Palin for instance, would never fraternize with an unrepentent terrorist whose wife admired the work of the Manson family.

At any rate, is any of this Ayers stuff relevant to th OP?

Nothing, it has to do with my pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about a few objectionable Tea Party signs and inferring guilt by association while whitewashing Obama's association with an unrepentant terrorist who actually killed people. Isn't that far worse than holding up a bad sign?

Finally, I am not changing the subject by bringing up other cases of voter intimidation, I am putting th NBPP case in context which is clearly what FOX did not do and what they in fact assiduously avoided as that would only underscore the severely skewed nature of their coverage. Your attempt to dismiss this context also suggests you would rather avoid relevant facts in order to maintain the "spun narrative" on this case.



Photos are great. Note that when photos of tea party racists are produced, the response is that these are isolated cases that don't represent the tea party. They are just "nut jobs" who we should ignore.

If that is true, it is even more true that the NBPP is an isolated case of a couple of nut jobs. They did this, as far as we know, EXACTLY ONCE, were stopped from doing so and the Obama administration obtained an injunction against one of those involved.


And not matter how many times you repeat the unsubstantiated statement that the administration dropped the case for racial reasons, it does not make it any more true. Again, look at all the evidence. One guy, Adams, with no evidence other than his word about things he did not even witness against a pattern of actions on the part of two adminstrations that show Adams is wrong.

"A former Justice Department attorney who quit his job to protest the Obama administration's handling of the New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case is accusing Attorney General Eric Holder of dropping the charges for racially motivated reasons.

J. Christian Adams, now an attorney in Virginia and a conservative blogger, says he and the other Justice Department lawyers working on the case were ordered to dismiss it.

"I mean we were told, 'Drop the charges against the New Black Panther Party,'" Adams told Fox News, adding that political appointees Loretta King, acting head of the civil rights division, and Steve Rosenbaum, an attorney with the division since 2003, ordered the dismissal.

Asked about the Justice Department's claim that they are career attorneys, not political appointees, Adams said "obviously, that's false."

Adams claimed an unnamed political appointee said if somebody wants to bring these kinds of cases, "that' not going to de done out of the civil rights division."

Adams also accused Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez of lying under oath to Congress about the circumstances surrounding the decision to drop the probe.

"There is a pervasive hostility within the civil rights division at the Justice Department toward these sorts of cases," Adams told Fox News' Megyn Kelly.

Adams says the dismissal is a symptom of the Obama administration's reverse racism and that the Justice Department will not pursue voting rights cases against white victims."


The scandal isn't that FOX covered this story, but that the lapdog MSM in the tank for Obama didn't.

[East of Eden]

What, are you going to blame him because he got elected president?

Off topic, but I couldn't resist posting this one, even at the risk of causing a relapse of your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

http://dailymail.com/blog.html

[Grumpy]

East of Eden

Someone with common sense, take Sarah Palin for instance, would never fraternize with an unrepentent terrorist whose wife admired the work of the Manson family.

But she did get annointed by a pastor who brags he persecuted witches in Africa. Is Sarah Palin responsible for such idiotic, superstitious non-sense?(or even worse, does she believe such idiotic, superstitious non-sense).

"Bishop Thomas Muthee staked his early reputation in the town of Kiambu on boasts that he banished a witch named Mama Jane, whom he blamed for crime, traffic accidents and public drunkenness in town. Once she fled, Muthee claimed, her spell was broken and peace returned.

In fact, Mama Jane never left. She is a pastor just down the road from Muthee's Word of Faith Church.

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Muthee spends much of his time these days traveling the world delivering sermons. Mrs Palin, John McCain's running mate, prayed with Muthee in her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska in 2005. He asked God to protect Palin from "every form of witchcraft," and to bring help her way. She later credited him with helping her to win the job of governor of Alaska."

Obama knew Ayers only as a respected part of the community, this attempt to smear him with events that happened when he was 8 years old is character assasination by association and is as dishonest as it gets. So much for Christian values.

Nothing, it has to do with my pointing out the hypocrisy of complaining about a few objectionable Tea Party signs and inferring guilt by association while whitewashing Obama's association with an unrepentant terrorist who actually killed people. Isn't that far worse than holding up a bad sign?

Only if it were true, but it isn't. It is a lie to say Obama had anything to do with Ayers' Weatherman association or any of it's goals, it is a lie to call Ayers a convicted anything, and Ayers himself said he was misquoted and his words mischaracterized(as you have done here)as he has reputiated violence and was talking about his wish that he could have done more against the war.

"It(the Vietnam war)was a crime against humanity on an enormous scale. We were trying to end it. In the six years that the Weather Underground existed, we did everything we could to end it. We never hurt or killed anyone -- by design. We didn't want to. Was it risky, were we a little nuts, were we a little off the track? Yes. Did we cross lines of legality and propriety and common sense? I think we did. On the other hand, I don't think we were the cause of any kind of reaction. I think we were a small part of an upheaval against war and against killing."

The one bombing Ayers and Dorne were involved in was that in a Pentagon bathroom, where a small charge damaged fixtures and a computer in the next room. Thirty minutes prior to that bombing a warning phone call allowed evacuation of that area. No one was hurt, so saying "unrepentant terrorist who actually killed" is a flat out lie.

"There is a pervasive hostility within the civil rights division at the Justice Department toward these sorts of cases," Adams told Fox News' Megyn Kelly.

Adams says the dismissal is a symptom of the Obama administration's reverse racism and that the Justice Department will not pursue voting rights cases against white victims."

Adams, Fox and you certainly share something in common aand none of you know what truth is.

Grumpy

Grumpy

[Wyvern]

What, are you going to blame him because he got elected president?

Off topic, but I couldn't resist posting this one, even at the risk of causing a relapse of your Bush Derangement Syndrome.

http://dailymail.com/blog.html

What are you talking about? I never mentioned anything about Bush and the quote was in response to your complaint about him leaving his church in Chicago after he was elected president. Looks like you are the one with Bush derangement syndrome since you not me look for reasons to insert him into the conversation.

[East of Eden]

But she did get annointed by a pastor who brags he persecuted witches in Africa. Is Sarah Palin responsible for such idiotic, superstitious non-sense?(or even worse, does she believe such idiotic, superstitious non-sense).

"Bishop Thomas Muthee staked his early reputation in the town of Kiambu on boasts that he banished a witch named Mama Jane, whom he blamed for crime, traffic accidents and public drunkenness in town. Once she fled, Muthee claimed, her spell was broken and peace returned.

In fact, Mama Jane never left. She is a pastor just down the road from Muthee's Word of Faith Church.

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Muthee spends much of his time these days traveling the world delivering sermons. Mrs Palin, John McCain's running mate, prayed with Muthee in her hometown of Wasilla, Alaska in 2005. He asked God to protect Palin from "every form of witchcraft," and to bring help her way. She later credited him with helping her to win the job of governor of Alaska."

News flash, Grumpy: Christians believe in the occult.

Only if it were true, but it isn't. It is a lie to say Obama had anything to do with Ayers' Weatherman association or any of it's goals, it is a lie to call Ayers a convicted anything,

Where did I say he was convicted? I said he didn't go to jail due to a botched prosecution.

and Ayers himself said he was misquoted and his words mischaracterized

Don't all criminals say that?

(as you have done here)

No I haven't

as he has reputiated violence and was talking about his wish that he could have done more against the war.

As of the 9/11/01 NYT article he didn't, and he also didn't rule out such future actions. That is the scandal.

"It(the Vietnam war)was a crime against humanity on an enormous scale. We were trying to end it. In the six years that the Weather Underground existed, we did everything we could to end it. We never hurt or killed anyone -- by design. We didn't want to. Was it risky, were we a little nuts, were we a little off the track? Yes. Did we cross lines of legality and propriety and common sense? I think we did. On the other hand, I don't think we were the cause of any kind of reaction. I think we were a small part of an upheaval against war and against killing."

This piece of vermin justifies his crime spree because he disagreed with the actions of a democratically elected US government. Who elected him? He's clearly lying when he claims 'we never hurt anyone'. From Wikipedia about the planned 1968 Chicago riot (I remember it well as I lived in the area, Ayers grew up in the next town over from me.), in which 28 policement were injured:

"A comment in the press:

Here we see a new breed of pro-black, pro-Viet Cong hooligan revolutionaries who not demanding this or that change, but are out to totally disrupt the very fabric of this society, out the smash this social order.[56]

Though the October 8, 1969 rally in Chicago had failed to draw as many as the Weathermen had anticipated, the two or three hundred who did attend shocked police by rioting through the affluent Gold Coast neighborhood. They smashed the windows of a bank and those of many cars. The crowd ran four blocks before encountering police barricades. They charged the police but broke into small groups; more than 1,000 police counter-attacked. Many protesters were wearing motorcycle or football helmets, but the police were well trained and armed. Large amounts of tear gas were used, and at least twice police ran squad cars into the mob. The rioting lasted approximately half an hour, during which 28 policemen were injured. Six Weathermen were shot by the police [That's all? ]and an unknown number injured; 68 rioters were arrested.[5][15][18][57]"

The one bombing Ayers and Dorne were involved in was that in a Pentagon bathroom, where a small charge damaged fixtures and a computer in the next room. Thirty minutes prior to that bombing a warning phone call allowed evacuation of that area. No one was hurt, so saying "unrepentant terrorist who actually killed" is a flat out lie.

There is very good reason to connect him with the San Francisco killing. I trust the opinion of the police there over you. From Wikipedia:

The San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing occurred on February 16, 1970, when a pipe bomb filled with shrapnel detonated on the ledge of a window at the San Francisco Police Department's Golden Gate Park station. [1] Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded in its blast.[2] Robert Fogarty, another police officer, was severely wounded in his face and legs and was partially blinded.[3] In addition, eight other police officers were wounded.[1]

According to the San Francisco Chronicle, "Investigators in the early '70s said the bombing likely was the work of the Weather Underground, and not the Black Liberation Army"[1]

An investigation was reopened in 1999. A San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed.[1][4]

In early 2009 conservative advocacy group America's Survival Inc. advocated for a murder charge against Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. In connection with a press release, the group released a letter from the San Francisco Police Officers Association endorsing an earlier allegation by Larry Grathwohl, a former FBI informant within the Weather Underground, that "there are “irrefutable and compelling reasons� that establish that Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, are responsible for the bombing." [5] [6]

The case has yet to be solved and remains an active case. [7] [8]

[Grumpy]

East of Eden

Where did I say he was convicted? I said he didn't go to jail due to a botched prosecution.

Which is itself a lie, he was never indicted, much less prosecuted. But it is a side issue, Obama had nothing to do with actions that took place when he was eight years old. Nor did he know ayers was anything other than a respected professor, nor did they "pal around" like Palin and her witch hunter.

Don't all criminals say that?

So do those quote mined by right wingers. And those wrongly accused and lied about.

(as you have done here)

No I haven't

Yes, you have. It is a common tactic of yours.

As of the 9/11/01 NYT article he didn't, and he also didn't rule out such future actions. That is the scandal.

That is the lie. He was not talking about bombs, but his antiwar activities. The NYT got it wrong. I thought conservatives thought the NYT was a rag, fit only for wrapping fish? And why was this brought back up in 2009? Could it be politics and a smear campaign? I think so. One that continues to this day on Faux News, the bought and paid for mouthpiece of the radical right, spewing venomous propaganda and lies.

That stuff WILL rot your brain.

Grumpy

[East of Eden]

Which is itself a lie, he was never indicted, much less prosecuted.

Ayers faced Federal riot and bombing charges, but walked on a technicality. The man has ADMITTED to the bombings and has also said more than once he has no regrets about what he did then.

A case thrown out on a technicality doesn't change the fact of what he did and has admitted to doing.

That he is an admirer of Che Guevara and Mumia Abu-Jamal, both of whom were/are unrepentant killers, doesn't speak well of him.