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Language techniques in the bible.

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I understand that Christians make a clear distinction with 'Son' and 'son' also 'God' with 'god'. And that Jesus was the 'Son' of God and Adam was the 'son' of God.
Therefore capitals in the bible give the word a somewhat different meaning, and can be understood from being metaphorical to being literal.

Well im sure every knowledgable person knows that in all the Semitic languages(hebrew is one), capital letters do not exist.

So are these capital letters mans translations/opinions/ideology? Or am i missing something.

Also while on the topic of language techniques

Why is the term "Son of God" taken literally, i just showed capitals don't exist in the semitic languages, so wouldn't Jesus and Adam have the same status?

Would it not be more logical if he was indeed a God, to be referred to "God the Son". Because if Jesus was called "God the Son" you will see clearly God is the son and that there is no need of non existing capitals to justify Jesus being God.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.

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According to many Christians, Jesus' sonship is significantly different from others in the Bible who are referred to as God's metaphoric offspring. Apparently, Jesus is the only begotten son.

Other Christians, deny that Jesus was truly deity. For their common-sense, they are labeled either heretic or liberal by the majority.
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What I make of it, is the “Son of God� is a title given to Jesus and in the English language when you type out a title you capitalize the first letter of words unless it is a conjoining word like “it, a, of, etc.� Then it doesn’t get a capital letter. “God the Son�, who would God be the son of? The “Son of God�… And that was the title given to Jesus.

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naz wrote:What I make of it, is the “Son of God� is a title given to Jesus and in the English language when you type out a title you capitalize the first letter of words unless it is a conjoining word like “it, a, of, etc.� Then it doesn’t get a capital letter. “God the Son�, who would God be the son of? The “Son of God�… And that was the title given to Jesus.
And of course, David was called "Son of God" too..begotten when he became King.

We must not forget the title of Augustus, since there was great Roman influence in the middle east and Greece at the time. One of his official titles was "Son of God", because Julius was proclaimed God.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Goat wrote:
naz wrote:What I make of it, is the “Son of God� is a title given to Jesus and in the English language when you type out a title you capitalize the first letter of words unless it is a conjoining word like “it, a, of, etc.� Then it doesn’t get a capital letter. “God the Son�, who would God be the son of? The “Son of God�… And that was the title given to Jesus.
And of course, David was called "Son of God" too..begotten when he became King.

We must not forget the title of Augustus, since there was great Roman influence in the middle east and Greece at the time. One of his official titles was "Son of God", because Julius was proclaimed God.
Can you link some references or state your claims? And some reasons why they were called the "Son of God" and not one of gods children.

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naz wrote:
Goat wrote:
naz wrote:What I make of it, is the “Son of God� is a title given to Jesus and in the English language when you type out a title you capitalize the first letter of words unless it is a conjoining word like “it, a, of, etc.� Then it doesn’t get a capital letter. “God the Son�, who would God be the son of? The “Son of God�… And that was the title given to Jesus.
And of course, David was called "Son of God" too..begotten when he became King.

We must not forget the title of Augustus, since there was great Roman influence in the middle east and Greece at the time. One of his official titles was "Son of God", because Julius was proclaimed God.
Can you link some references or state your claims? And some reasons why they were called the "Son of God" and not one of gods children.
King David, see "Psalm 2" .. in specific 2.7. It is the psalm of king David (hint, not jesus)

And as for Augustus being 'Son of God'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus


On 1 January 42 BC, the Senate posthumously recognized Julius Caesar as a divinity of the Roman state, Divus Iulius. Octavian was able to further his cause by emphasizing the fact that he was Divi filius, "Son of God".[65]
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Goat wrote:
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Goat wrote:
naz wrote:What I make of it, is the “Son of God� is a title given to Jesus and in the English language when you type out a title you capitalize the first letter of words unless it is a conjoining word like “it, a, of, etc.� Then it doesn’t get a capital letter. “God the Son�, who would God be the son of? The “Son of God�… And that was the title given to Jesus.
And of course, David was called "Son of God" too..begotten when he became King.

We must not forget the title of Augustus, since there was great Roman influence in the middle east and Greece at the time. One of his official titles was "Son of God", because Julius was proclaimed God.
Can you link some references or state your claims? And some reasons why they were called the "Son of God" and not one of gods children.
King David, see "Psalm 2" .. in specific 2.7. It is the psalm of king David (hint, not jesus)

And as for Augustus being 'Son of God'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus


On 1 January 42 BC, the Senate posthumously recognized Julius Caesar as a divinity of the Roman state, Divus Iulius. Octavian was able to further his cause by emphasizing the fact that he was Divi filius, "Son of God".[65]
Romans had many gods so some of the rulers were referred to as the son of Zeus, son of Apollo, etc. So which God was he the son of? It has a different meaning than that of Christian context. Here is a wiki that contradicts the other wiki page you linked. Under history it says,
“The Roman emperor Augustus, Caesar's adopted son, was also called "divi filius", not "Dei filius" (son of God), was the Latin term used, and, in Greek, the term huios theou ("son of a god") was applied.[7]�
More on Augustus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God ... _Roman_god

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God ... _of_God.22
This site explains it all. There is a difference between people claiming to be the Son of "a" god, being "a" son of god and actually being "the" Son of God.

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naz wrote: There is a difference between people claiming to be the Son of "a" god, being "a" son of god and actually being "the" Son of God.
The difference between people claiming that there are sons of a god and sons of God is that the former are polytheists and the later are monotheists.
The difference between people claiming that there is a son of God and that there is the Son of God, is that the former allows for more than one son of God and the later implies that God has only one son. Both are represented in the New Testament.
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