As I understand it, the 10 Commandments were communicated by a 'God' to Moses to relay to the people then living in Israel. In them 'God' is supposedly 'speaking' for Himself. One of these Commandments instructs the people of Israel that they are not to 'take any other god' before this particular god and that He is their Lord God.
If I understand these words correctly, would a logical interpretation not imply that there are other 'gods' equal to the one issuing these Commandments? Is not the statement "...shall take no other gods before me", a clear indication that,at least according to this 'God', there are other similar beings existent, ie. 'other gods'?
The 10 Commandments
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #61Neither did koine Greek.Murad wrote: The Hebrew language does not have any capital letters
And no punctuation either.
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #62Katzpur wrote: The Bible does mention "gods" with a lower-case "g" in a number of different verses. It even says that 'God" (i.e. the Abrahamic God, who gave the Ten Commandments) is "God of gods." I'd be interested to hear someone who believes that all "gods" mentioned in the scriptures are false gods, explain what that makes our "God." Does that mean He is "God of false gods"?
Murad wrote: Fact of the day:
The Hebrew language does not have any capital letters
Jrosemary wrote: Ditto that. Hebrew just has letters, with no concept of "capital" or "lowercase." When you see a word written with a capital in an English translation, that's just due to the translator's choice. It has nothing to do with the original Hebrew.
That implies any punctuation or capital letters in English or any other translated language are irrelevant and trying to make any case for debate based on using a capital letter to say a word with a capital letter is more important than the same word with a small letter is a moot point and cannot be considered seriously.McCulloch wrote: Neither did koine Greek.
And no punctuation either.
Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #63Okay. Point taken. The rest of my post stands.Murad wrote:Fact of the day:Katzpur wrote: The Bible does mention "gods" with a lower-case "g" in a number of different verses. It even says that 'God" (i.e. the Abrahamic God, who gave the Ten Commandments) is "God of gods." I'd be interested to hear someone who believes that all "gods" mentioned in the scriptures are false gods, explain what that makes our "God." Does that mean He is "God of false gods"?
The Hebrew language does not have any capital letters
Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #64Are we talking about Exodus 20:3? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."Katzpur wrote:Okay. Point taken. The rest of my post stands.Murad wrote:Fact of the day:Katzpur wrote: The Bible does mention "gods" with a lower-case "g" in a number of different verses. It even says that 'God" (i.e. the Abrahamic God, who gave the Ten Commandments) is "God of gods." I'd be interested to hear someone who believes that all "gods" mentioned in the scriptures are false gods, explain what that makes our "God." Does that mean He is "God of false gods"?
The Hebrew language does not have any capital letters
The term "false gods" does not exist in the bible. It mentions false teachers, false prophets, false christs, false witnesses.
It mentions idols and graven images but it says there are no other gods but one.
Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].
The term "God of gods"
( Deut 10:17) has been translated from "Yĕhovah elohiym elohiym elohiym "
"God of gods" (Josh22:22) Yĕhovah 'el 'elohiym
"God of gods" (Dan 11:36) 'el 'el
I perceive it as conveying "the Father of the sons" or the Authority of the family.
Lets take a similar word in English which can be both singular and plural.
The word is "Sheep"
We can have one single sheep or many single sheep or one family of sheep which includes many singular sheep.
God the Father is like the authority of sheep in the family of sheep. He is not one single sheep but rather is all the adult and mature Ewes and Rams in authority over the lambs. The mature takes care of the immature and brings them up in the nurture and admonition of the mature in the family. Yet they are all ONE family of sheep with no one sheep in authority over the rest but many in authority and in submission one to the other. Mutual respect and mutual submission with no one lording it over anyone else and forcing them to bow down or worship him but rather encouraging all others to submit to one another in the same way the adult submits to the child in the sense of serving the child and fulfilling all its needs, while teaching that child to submit to authorities, teachers, etc as it learns to become an authority and teacher itself. They are many sheep which all work together as ONE unit or one family of sheep.
The children of God are gods. Gods bring forth gods in their own image after their likeness as the gods keep reproducing "themselves" in their offspring. Truth brings forth Truth. Life brings forth Life. Love brings forth love. etc.
Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #65I know it doesn't. I was just saying that I've heard people use that phrase before.Skyangel wrote:Are we talking about Exodus 20:3? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
The term "false gods" does not exist in the bible. It mentions false teachers, false prophets, false christs, false witnesses.
Yes, it does. It also says that God is "the Lord God of gods." In Exodus 15:11, it asks the question, "Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?" And in Exodus 18:11, we read, "Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them."It mentions idols and graven images but it says there are no other gods but one.
I perceive it that way, too. Are not the offspring of a father the same species as the father? What do the sons of God grow up to be, if not Gods? As you said:I perceive it as conveying "the Father of the sons" or the Authority of the family.
The children of God are gods. Gods bring forth gods in their own image after their likeness as the gods keep reproducing "themselves" in their offspring. Truth brings forth Truth. Life brings forth Life. Love brings forth love. etc.
Re: The 10 Commandments
Post #66I perceive it as conveying "the Father of the sons" or the Authority of the family.
Katzpur wrote: I perceive it that way, too. Are not the offspring of a father the same species as the father? What do the sons of God grow up to be, if not Gods? As you said:
I am glad we agree on that much. Many people seem to think the children of God are people and they think people are not gods and never will be. It seems to me that most religions teach that people are somehow separate from God or any gods. Religions tend to teach that people are some kind of slaves of God/gods and need to literally bow down and worship them to keep them from getting angry and annihilating/ destroying them.The children of God are gods. Gods bring forth gods in their own image after their likeness as the gods keep reproducing "themselves" in their offspring. Truth brings forth Truth. Life brings forth Life. Love brings forth love. etc.